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Subject: Re: Has Vincent been banned ? A couple of reasons to think about

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:29:54 11/03/03

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On November 03, 2003 at 11:26:31, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On November 03, 2003 at 10:29:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 03, 2003 at 10:20:24, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>
>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:36:57, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC
>>>>>without explaination.
>>>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs !
>>>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ?
>>>>
>>>>It's sad, but apparently true.  I recieved an e-mail from Vincent on Friday,
>>>>where he explained that he had been banned without even recieving a warning
>>>>in advance.
>>>>
>>>>I hope this is just some kind of misunderstanding or mistake by the moderators,
>>>>and that Vincent will be back soon.
>>>>
>>>>Tord
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If I remember correctly, Vincent called Bob Hyatt "an old idiot".  How about
>>>that.  Not that I advocate banning without explanation.  On the contrary, I
>>>insist that the reasons for banning Vincent be made clear to CCC members.
>>>
>>>Djordje
>>
>>
>>Vincent has called lots of people lots of things.
>>
>>I'm apparently an "old idiot".
>>
>>Eugene Nalimov is a "fucking idiot".
>>
>>The list goes on.  However, had I been a moderator, I wouldn't have
>>banned him for that reason, since he has little credibility anyway.
>>
>>I'd suspect it has more to do with his accusations about cheating
>>with respect to the Dutch CCC event...
>
>
>
>Two points:
>
>I find it very funny when a "youngster" without any titles in CC calls you an
>old idiot.
>
>Let me clarify this. I for one dont think that this is meant as a true insult.
>It is also not with self-humor. Because do you really believe that Vincent
>missed the fact that you were two times Wch and he must struggle to keep his
>machine going properly while his chess is higher than 2200?
>
>I can say "old idiot" and it means something like this: look, I am tired after
>this shit tournament, I feel empty like a bottle, why do you nag me all the
>time?? Couldn't you tell me what I could do to become better, you old idiot??!!
>
>Bob, I have looked at the nice pics from the Leiden tournament and I saw a very
>smiling Vincent. He's not the one to spit venomenous insults in your direction.
>His belly is becoming weay too big. But his smile is outrageously confident.
>
>Please do also consider that Vincent did never complain in the name of Diep. He
>always argued in the name of Sjeng or its author.
>
>To me, please correct me if I am completely wrong, your own critic of the
>practice of a _thrice_ times book author engagement was much more letal than
>what Vincent wrote. What you wrote could be the end of a long tradition for
>Jeroen.

This is not the first time this has come up.  It is a fairly recent issue,
also.  IE it dates to the time when Ed/Christophe decided to work together,
which made this happen.  It is also recent with Kure and Fritz/Brutus.  It
has become a mess, that will only get worse..


> What Vincent asked is IMO, excuse me, an allowed reflection and stirring
>up of a debate. But ok, I do not know the complete content of the threads. But
>the original question was interesting. It was just a question. What would any
>science do without questions? I think we have much too little questions of
>interest. NB that Vincent just came out of a deceiving tournament. In the debate
>about the use of Fritz general.ctg in SSDF I could read that more people than
>just Vincent are confused by such a practice. You was one of them. Why not
>letting Vincent ask questions of enormous practical CC interest?

Nothing wrong with asking questions.  I don't know why he was banned.  I
had nothing to do with it as I have _never_ filed a complaint with any
moderator about Vincent and his tirades directed toward me.  I'm a big boy
and can handle myself just fine...

However, Vincent does have a problem with looking down at _everybody_ even
if their programs thump him horribly.  "Tiger is piece/square crap".  "Rebel
is the same".  "Crafty is a rude program that could be written in a day" and
so forth.  That tends to wear thin and get old...


>
>
>A last thought that you might well consider. Vincent is proud of his connection
>with the late Louwman who was famous for his extreme impolite verbal jabs and
>uppercuts. Louwman was a Dutch Jew IMO who lost many family members by the
>Nazis. And he had to live his last years with extreme pain due to illnesses. I
>do not excuse Vincent, but knowing a particular background can often aat least
>explain a bit something seemingly outrageous. Please let's not be too rigid in
>condemning such a motivated guy. Just give him a smiling eye in the memory of
>Jan Louwman. Thanks.

Remember that I was not a fan of Jan Louwman.  I saw significant misbehavior
at ACM events, with respect to the "move now" button, which is _not_ allowed
in computer chess events...


>
>Rolf



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