Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:29:54 11/03/03
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On November 03, 2003 at 11:26:31, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On November 03, 2003 at 10:29:17, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 03, 2003 at 10:20:24, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >> >>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:36:57, Tord Romstad wrote: >>> >>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC >>>>>without explaination. >>>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs ! >>>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ? >>>> >>>>It's sad, but apparently true. I recieved an e-mail from Vincent on Friday, >>>>where he explained that he had been banned without even recieving a warning >>>>in advance. >>>> >>>>I hope this is just some kind of misunderstanding or mistake by the moderators, >>>>and that Vincent will be back soon. >>>> >>>>Tord >>> >>> >>> >>>If I remember correctly, Vincent called Bob Hyatt "an old idiot". How about >>>that. Not that I advocate banning without explanation. On the contrary, I >>>insist that the reasons for banning Vincent be made clear to CCC members. >>> >>>Djordje >> >> >>Vincent has called lots of people lots of things. >> >>I'm apparently an "old idiot". >> >>Eugene Nalimov is a "fucking idiot". >> >>The list goes on. However, had I been a moderator, I wouldn't have >>banned him for that reason, since he has little credibility anyway. >> >>I'd suspect it has more to do with his accusations about cheating >>with respect to the Dutch CCC event... > > > >Two points: > >I find it very funny when a "youngster" without any titles in CC calls you an >old idiot. > >Let me clarify this. I for one dont think that this is meant as a true insult. >It is also not with self-humor. Because do you really believe that Vincent >missed the fact that you were two times Wch and he must struggle to keep his >machine going properly while his chess is higher than 2200? > >I can say "old idiot" and it means something like this: look, I am tired after >this shit tournament, I feel empty like a bottle, why do you nag me all the >time?? Couldn't you tell me what I could do to become better, you old idiot??!! > >Bob, I have looked at the nice pics from the Leiden tournament and I saw a very >smiling Vincent. He's not the one to spit venomenous insults in your direction. >His belly is becoming weay too big. But his smile is outrageously confident. > >Please do also consider that Vincent did never complain in the name of Diep. He >always argued in the name of Sjeng or its author. > >To me, please correct me if I am completely wrong, your own critic of the >practice of a _thrice_ times book author engagement was much more letal than >what Vincent wrote. What you wrote could be the end of a long tradition for >Jeroen. This is not the first time this has come up. It is a fairly recent issue, also. IE it dates to the time when Ed/Christophe decided to work together, which made this happen. It is also recent with Kure and Fritz/Brutus. It has become a mess, that will only get worse.. > What Vincent asked is IMO, excuse me, an allowed reflection and stirring >up of a debate. But ok, I do not know the complete content of the threads. But >the original question was interesting. It was just a question. What would any >science do without questions? I think we have much too little questions of >interest. NB that Vincent just came out of a deceiving tournament. In the debate >about the use of Fritz general.ctg in SSDF I could read that more people than >just Vincent are confused by such a practice. You was one of them. Why not >letting Vincent ask questions of enormous practical CC interest? Nothing wrong with asking questions. I don't know why he was banned. I had nothing to do with it as I have _never_ filed a complaint with any moderator about Vincent and his tirades directed toward me. I'm a big boy and can handle myself just fine... However, Vincent does have a problem with looking down at _everybody_ even if their programs thump him horribly. "Tiger is piece/square crap". "Rebel is the same". "Crafty is a rude program that could be written in a day" and so forth. That tends to wear thin and get old... > > >A last thought that you might well consider. Vincent is proud of his connection >with the late Louwman who was famous for his extreme impolite verbal jabs and >uppercuts. Louwman was a Dutch Jew IMO who lost many family members by the >Nazis. And he had to live his last years with extreme pain due to illnesses. I >do not excuse Vincent, but knowing a particular background can often aat least >explain a bit something seemingly outrageous. Please let's not be too rigid in >condemning such a motivated guy. Just give him a smiling eye in the memory of >Jan Louwman. Thanks. Remember that I was not a fan of Jan Louwman. I saw significant misbehavior at ACM events, with respect to the "move now" button, which is _not_ allowed in computer chess events... > >Rolf
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