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Subject: Re: Has Vincent been banned ? A couple of reasons to think about

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:30:38 11/03/03

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On November 03, 2003 at 15:26:26, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On November 03, 2003 at 13:29:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>>A last thought that you might well consider. Vincent is proud of his connection
>>>with the late Louwman who was famous for his extreme impolite verbal jabs and
>>>uppercuts. Louwman was a Dutch Jew IMO who lost many family members by the
>>>Nazis. And he had to live his last years with extreme pain due to illnesses. I
>>>do not excuse Vincent, but knowing a particular background can often aat least
>>>explain a bit something seemingly outrageous. Please let's not be too rigid in
>>>condemning such a motivated guy. Just give him a smiling eye in the memory of
>>>Jan Louwman. Thanks.
>>
>>Remember that I was not a fan of Jan Louwman.  I saw significant misbehavior
>>at ACM events, with respect to the "move now" button, which is _not_ allowed
>>in computer chess events...
>
>Let's forget about his personal guilt now he's gone but let's keep it in mind
>for a record of possible cheats. - But as a general moral: couldn't it be that
>you can handle the fact of possible cheats better (and without any paranoia just
>because you know too well what could be possibly done) than others? When I came
>into the scene one of the first informations was about the existence of whole
>lot of paranoia in computerchess. I didn't bring it up. But I always thought
>that information is the only remedy against that syndrome.
>
>Rolf


Let me be clear.  This is not a case of "I hate him because he cheated."

It is more a case of "I trusted him (and everyone else) to act honorably
at these events, because _I_ always did."  I made mistakes.  I got killed
for it.  I lost a game on time where I could have hit the <return> key and
made it move instantly, in a won position.  We (my team of three, myself,
gower and nelson) simply didn't do that.  When we caught someone else doing
it, it left a taste of distrust that won't ever go away...

BTW, to avoid any of this "are you sure?" stuff, we caught it on video tape.
There was _no_ doubt.  And we (my team) were not the only ones to notice it.



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