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Subject: Re: Has Vincent been banned ?

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 18:05:26 11/03/03

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On November 03, 2003 at 14:57:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 03, 2003 at 13:40:05, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:22:35, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>  Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC
>>>>without explaination.
>>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs !
>>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Mridul
>>>
>>>
>>>Vincent has a one month suspension. He was told why he was suspended via email.
>>>
>>>On Noverber 30th , he will be able to post again - for those that want to mark
>>>their calendar.
>>>
>>>Membership to CCC is a privilige not a right.  If you break the rules, your
>>>privilige might be taken away.  Also, an FYI, the CCC moderators have an
>>>agreement that we do not take any action on suspensions/bannings unless all of
>>>us are in agreement.  So any time there is any action, you should know the vote
>>>was 3-0.  So some times we may appear to be slow in taking action, but on the
>>>other hand when we do take action - it's unaminous.  That protects memebers
>>>somewhat against kneejerk reactions to posts.
>>>
>>>Michael Byrne
>>>Moderator
>>
>>
>>
>>Well done, but why has this been done behind the curtains?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>
>How else would you do it?  Do you want the moderators to discuss
>Vincent, his postings, their opinions, _all_ in public?  That would
>not be a good way to operate.  We vote on the moderators, and then we
>let them moderate.  If we don't like the way they do their job, we vote
>for someone else next time...



That's certainly not the way democracy works. As CCC is supposed to work like a
democracy, things like that should be done in the open.

A simple message "The moderators have decided to ban Vincent for a month because
of his repeated violations of the CCC charter" would have been enough. If people
want to discuss the decision, well it's not forbidden.

I'm definitely *against* hiding the moderators' work. When somebody steps on the
line, the moderators can contact him by email and/or post a "MODERATION" message
in answer to the offending message. I'm in favor of a public warning.

When somebody is banned, it deserves a public announcement. If it does not, what
will???

Transparency in the moderators' work is important. In any democracy, the justice
decisions are published officially.



    Christophe



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