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Subject: Re: Deep Blue and the

Author: Peter Hegger

Date: 12:44:32 11/11/98

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On November 10, 1998 at 17:27:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 10, 1998 at 10:56:40, Peter Hegger wrote:
>
>>On November 09, 1998 at 14:30:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 09, 1998 at 12:39:46, odell hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On November 09, 1998 at 09:21:50, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hello, My name is Deep Blue
>>>>>
>>>>>Did I ever tell you about the ten game match I played a few years back?
>>>>>Well, I played all the leading micros and made a perfect 10-0 score against
>>>>>them. Wiped them all off the board easily.
>>>>>What? You want to see the games?
>>>>>Oh no sorry, I couldn't possibly do that.
>>>>>You'll just have to take my word for it that it really happened.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are exactly right! If the match did in fact happen why haven't they
>>>>published the games? The kasparov match is over so they can't fear that kasparov
>>>>will see the games. What other possible motivation for not revealing the games
>>>>other than that it never occured!!
>>>
>>>If you want to believe that pigs can fly, that there is a free lunch, and that
>>>this match never happened, go right ahead.  P.T. Barnum had a comment that fits
>>>really well.
>>>
>>>As to why won't they say anything?  After all the obnoxious posts here about
>>>deep blue and how badly it plays and how lucky it was to beat kasparov and
>>>how it can't hold a light to todays micros, maybe, just maybe, they don't give
>>>a damn about what anyone here thinks?  Wouldn't blame them in the least...
>>>
>>>Never seen such a bunch of closed minds...  of course when something is closed
>>>that tightly, it is *very dark* inside...
>>
>>Quite the contrary.
>>It is because I am looking at the issue with an open mind that I pose the
>>question about the games.
>>For Hsu and Campbell to say that these games were not considered important
>>enough to record strains credibility.
>
>
>Why would this be true?  I played a long match vs genius several years ago and
>beat it nearly every game (using a Cray) and with significant time odds to boot.
>I expected to win, I did, and I didn't save a single game score because I didn't
>consider those games particularly remarkable...

So you're saying you tied up the resources of a multi-million dollar computer
just to have a "for fun" match against genius? I didn't realize computer time on
mainframes was that easy to come by.

>I'd suspect Hsu did the same.  They told me about the match months after it had
>been done.  By the time I reported it the data was gone.  What was worth saving?
>
>IE I play new programs on ICC all the time, and they generally lose every game
>for the first few months until they become more "complete."  I don't file those
>games away... what would be the reason?

No reason at all to save games like this, I can play the same programs at the
kitchen table. But on the rare occasions when one has access to "big iron" I
would think any game would be worth recording.
Just my opinion
Peter



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