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Subject: Re: KRAMNIK or KASPAROV

Author: martin fierz

Date: 07:48:18 11/04/03

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On November 04, 2003 at 05:30:03, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On November 04, 2003 at 05:15:23, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>On November 04, 2003 at 04:39:37, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>On November 03, 2003 at 21:12:15, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 19:51:10, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>- What KASPAROV is concerned we know that he is no longer the best human player,
>>>>
>>>>http://www.fide.com/ratings/top.phtml
>>>>
>>>>1  Kasparov, Garry  g  RUS  2830
>>>>2  Kramnik, Vladimir  g  RUS  2777
>>>>3  Anand, Viswanathan  g  IND  2766
>>>
>>>
>>>We can discuss the value of ELO rankings all day long but you won't succeed in
>>>twisting the historical fact that Kasparov _lost_ his title match against
>>>Kramnik! ELO rankings are a different thing. When Alekhine prepared his title
>>>match against Capablanca the latter also was the tournament number one player
>>>who almost NEVER lost a single game in his whole career! Still Alekhine managed
>>>to win the match against Capablanca and from that moment on he was regarded as
>>>the real champ. The same here with Kramnik. Kasparov is out, forget him, his
>>>time is over.
>>
>>well, that certainly is a strange statement! kasparov has won the most
>>super-tournaments over the past years, has the highest rating, plays the most
>>brilliant chess (ok, this one is subjective), and you still think his time is
>>over? yes, he lost that one match against kramnik, but that was mainly a
>>psychological thing, not the chess (ok, subjective again...).
>>one thing is sure: in the chess world, most people think kasparov is the
>>strongest player, and not kramnik. all those world championship titles are
>>getting rather meaningless since nobody is playing for them any more - so what
>>else would you want to go on if not rating and supertournament results?
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin
>>
>>PS: your claim that fischer is the greatest is also very subjective of course.
>>for me, and many others it's kasparov! but this is simply nothing that can be
>>discussed - de gustibus non est disputandum :-)
>
>
>You make a good P.S. - but then you call my opinion 'strange'. This is strange
>IMO.

hmm, ok, i admit :-)
i wrote it as a PS and it occurred to me at the end of the post, but not in the
beginning...

>If you take a minute of thought you will understand what I meant. Kasparov
>sure is the hysterical winner of tournaments but he has found his master.

i don't agree. in this match, he found his master. but in a later tournament he
tore down kramnik's berlin wall. for me, kasparov is the stronger player.
kramnik came along to this match with a really cool anti-kasparov strategy. you
can compare it to his anti-fritz-strategy in bahrain, except that in the real
world championship he stayed true to his strategy until the end of the match...
don't start about the why :-). and kasparov couldn't adapt to this in the short
duration of the match. BTW, a player like anand is on a smilar level as kramnik
IMO.
well, these are all IMOs, so not worth discussing further :-)

cheers
  martin



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