Author: Hristo
Date: 13:02:35 11/11/98
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On November 10, 1998 at 17:27:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 10, 1998 at 10:56:40, Peter Hegger wrote: > >>On November 09, 1998 at 14:30:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On November 09, 1998 at 12:39:46, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On November 09, 1998 at 09:21:50, Peter Hegger wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hello, My name is Deep Blue >>>>> >>>>>Did I ever tell you about the ten game match I played a few years back? >>>>>Well, I played all the leading micros and made a perfect 10-0 score against >>>>>them. Wiped them all off the board easily. >>>>>What? You want to see the games? >>>>>Oh no sorry, I couldn't possibly do that. >>>>>You'll just have to take my word for it that it really happened. >>>> >>>> >>>>You are exactly right! If the match did in fact happen why haven't they >>>>published the games? The kasparov match is over so they can't fear that kasparov >>>>will see the games. What other possible motivation for not revealing the games >>>>other than that it never occured!! >>> >>>If you want to believe that pigs can fly, that there is a free lunch, and that >>>this match never happened, go right ahead. P.T. Barnum had a comment that fits >>>really well. >>> >>>As to why won't they say anything? After all the obnoxious posts here about >>>deep blue and how badly it plays and how lucky it was to beat kasparov and >>>how it can't hold a light to todays micros, maybe, just maybe, they don't give >>>a damn about what anyone here thinks? Wouldn't blame them in the least... >>> >>>Never seen such a bunch of closed minds... of course when something is closed >>>that tightly, it is *very dark* inside... >> >>Quite the contrary. >>It is because I am looking at the issue with an open mind that I pose the >>question about the games. >>For Hsu and Campbell to say that these games were not considered important >>enough to record strains credibility. > > >Why would this be true? I played a long match vs genius several years ago and >beat it nearly every game (using a Cray) and with significant time odds to boot. >I expected to win, I did, and I didn't save a single game score because I didn't >consider those games particularly remarkable... > >I'd suspect Hsu did the same. They told me about the match months after it had >been done. By the time I reported it the data was gone. What was worth saving? > >IE I play new programs on ICC all the time, and they generally lose every game >for the first few months until they become more "complete." I don't file those >games away... what would be the reason? Junior, Fritz, Rebel are complete programs not some program X-in-teenage ... if someone could consistently win against these programs, they should at least extend the courtesy of showing an example, even if this required to play a set of new games ... What is your point Bob ... that gods don't talk to mortals ...?? I just finished a match crafty15.20 vs MyProgram. The result was crafty=0:MyProgram=20. However I knew MyProgram would win so I didn't record the games. ...well I also knew everyone here would be interested ... but what a heck ... perhaps I can pull the logs from crafty ... hristo
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