Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 08:54:49 11/05/03
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On November 04, 2003 at 21:33:27, Mike Byrne wrote:
>On November 04, 2003 at 13:51:42, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On November 03, 2003 at 23:38:18, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>
>>>On November 03, 2003 at 21:05:26, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 14:57:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:40:05, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:22:35, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC
>>>>>>>>without explaination.
>>>>>>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs !
>>>>>>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>>>Mridul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Vincent has a one month suspension. He was told why he was suspended via email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Noverber 30th , he will be able to post again - for those that want to mark
>>>>>>>their calendar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Membership to CCC is a privilige not a right. If you break the rules, your
>>>>>>>privilige might be taken away. Also, an FYI, the CCC moderators have an
>>>>>>>agreement that we do not take any action on suspensions/bannings unless all of
>>>>>>>us are in agreement. So any time there is any action, you should know the vote
>>>>>>>was 3-0. So some times we may appear to be slow in taking action, but on the
>>>>>>>other hand when we do take action - it's unaminous. That protects memebers
>>>>>>>somewhat against kneejerk reactions to posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Michael Byrne
>>>>>>>Moderator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well done, but why has this been done behind the curtains?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How else would you do it? Do you want the moderators to discuss
>>>>>Vincent, his postings, their opinions, _all_ in public? That would
>>>>>not be a good way to operate. We vote on the moderators, and then we
>>>>>let them moderate. If we don't like the way they do their job, we vote
>>>>>for someone else next time...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's certainly not the way democracy works. As CCC is supposed to work like a
>>>>democracy, things like that should be done in the open.
>>>
>>>We elect moderators - representatives, if you will - to carry out what they
>>>think is in the best interest of the people they represent (those who elect
>>>them). If it were supposed to act like a democracy, then why have moderators at
>>>all? We should be voting on everything the moderators do.
>>>
>>>Nothing would ever get accomplished in such a system, which is why we do not use
>>>that system. CCC can best be called a representative government, in which it
>>>is not required for the government officials (moderators) to explain their every
>>>action to the people. If we don't like how they act, we elect new people when
>>>the term is up.
>>
>>
>>
>>Are you living is a democracy or not?
>>
>>We elect representatives, and they are accountable for what they do, so we can
>>decide to re-elect them or not.
>>
>>That's why in a democracy the decisions taken by the people's representatives
>>are made public.
>>
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>Christophe, I believe you mis-using the word democracy as we undestand it here
>is the United States. A democracy is where every decision is put to vote by the
>masses. That form of government is found to highly inefficient. The United
>Sates is often called a democracy, but technically it is a republic state. We
>elect our representatives to make our decisions for us. The CCC is also a form
>of a republic. The moderators were elected to make the decisions for the
>benefit of all members.
>
>I can go either way on public notice of bannings- but I would want to be sure
>that is what the majority of the CCC members would want before instituting such
>a policy. I viewed a banning as a discipline issue that is usually held to be
>confidential in the Unites States - perhaps other cultures view it differently.
I don't want to quibble on the words.
I have made my point clear I think. Such a "Justice Decision" should be
announced in public, i.e. posted directly on CCC.
Christophe
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