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Subject: Re: Has Vincent been banned ?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:48:43 11/05/03

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On November 05, 2003 at 11:51:54, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On November 05, 2003 at 10:04:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>On November 04, 2003 at 23:54:45, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On November 04, 2003 at 18:12:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 21:05:26, Christophe Theron wrote:
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>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 14:57:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:40:05, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:22:35, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC
>>>>>>>>>without explaination.
>>>>>>>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs !
>>>>>>>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>>>>Mridul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Vincent has a one month suspension. He was told why he was suspended via email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Noverber 30th , he will be able to post again - for those that want to mark
>>>>>>>>their calendar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Membership to CCC is a privilige not a right.  If you break the rules, your
>>>>>>>>privilige might be taken away.  Also, an FYI, the CCC moderators have an
>>>>>>>>agreement that we do not take any action on suspensions/bannings unless all of
>>>>>>>>us are in agreement.  So any time there is any action, you should know the vote
>>>>>>>>was 3-0.  So some times we may appear to be slow in taking action, but on the
>>>>>>>>other hand when we do take action - it's unaminous.  That protects memebers
>>>>>>>>somewhat against kneejerk reactions to posts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Michael Byrne
>>>>>>>>Moderator
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well done, but why has this been done behind the curtains?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Christophe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How else would you do it?  Do you want the moderators to discuss
>>>>>>Vincent, his postings, their opinions, _all_ in public?  That would
>>>>>>not be a good way to operate.  We vote on the moderators, and then we
>>>>>>let them moderate.  If we don't like the way they do their job, we vote
>>>>>>for someone else next time...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's certainly not the way democracy works. As CCC is supposed to work like a
>>>>>democracy, things like that should be done in the open.
>>>>>
>>>>>A simple message "The moderators have decided to ban Vincent for a month because
>>>>>of his repeated violations of the CCC charter" would have been enough. If people
>>>>>want to discuss the decision, well it's not forbidden.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm definitely *against* hiding the moderators' work. When somebody steps on the
>>>>>line, the moderators can contact him by email and/or post a "MODERATION" message
>>>>>in answer to the offending message. I'm in favor of a public warning.
>>>>>
>>>>>When somebody is banned, it deserves a public announcement. If it does not, what
>>>>>will???
>>>>>
>>>>>Transparency in the moderators' work is important. In any democracy, the justice
>>>>>decisions are published officially.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Christophe
>>>>
>>>>Actually, that is wrong.  When someone gets fired from a company, does that
>>>>get publicized?  Nope.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Coworkers know. Same here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>Not the same thing.  "co-workers" might be 10 people.  "here" might
>>be 10,000 people...
>>
>>Not to mention the fact that discussing thre reasons for a ban in public
>>could expose one to legal tort...
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>So what?
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>
>    Christophe
>

So I doubt anyone wants to be exposed to that for executing responsibilities
for a job that pays exactly _nothing_.


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>>>>  It is a private matter unless the person getting fired
>>>>chooses to take it public.  It is his particular "world" that has changed,
>>>>and he should have the opportunity to choose whether it remain private or
>>>>become public...
>>>>
>>>>The common practice is "praise in public, chastise in private".  It works
>>>>pretty well...



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