Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:48:43 11/05/03
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On November 05, 2003 at 11:51:54, Christophe Theron wrote: >On November 05, 2003 at 10:04:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 04, 2003 at 23:54:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On November 04, 2003 at 18:12:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On November 03, 2003 at 21:05:26, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 14:57:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:40:05, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:22:35, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC >>>>>>>>>without explaination. >>>>>>>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs ! >>>>>>>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>>>Mridul >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Vincent has a one month suspension. He was told why he was suspended via email. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Noverber 30th , he will be able to post again - for those that want to mark >>>>>>>>their calendar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Membership to CCC is a privilige not a right. If you break the rules, your >>>>>>>>privilige might be taken away. Also, an FYI, the CCC moderators have an >>>>>>>>agreement that we do not take any action on suspensions/bannings unless all of >>>>>>>>us are in agreement. So any time there is any action, you should know the vote >>>>>>>>was 3-0. So some times we may appear to be slow in taking action, but on the >>>>>>>>other hand when we do take action - it's unaminous. That protects memebers >>>>>>>>somewhat against kneejerk reactions to posts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Michael Byrne >>>>>>>>Moderator >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well done, but why has this been done behind the curtains? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>How else would you do it? Do you want the moderators to discuss >>>>>>Vincent, his postings, their opinions, _all_ in public? That would >>>>>>not be a good way to operate. We vote on the moderators, and then we >>>>>>let them moderate. If we don't like the way they do their job, we vote >>>>>>for someone else next time... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That's certainly not the way democracy works. As CCC is supposed to work like a >>>>>democracy, things like that should be done in the open. >>>>> >>>>>A simple message "The moderators have decided to ban Vincent for a month because >>>>>of his repeated violations of the CCC charter" would have been enough. If people >>>>>want to discuss the decision, well it's not forbidden. >>>>> >>>>>I'm definitely *against* hiding the moderators' work. When somebody steps on the >>>>>line, the moderators can contact him by email and/or post a "MODERATION" message >>>>>in answer to the offending message. I'm in favor of a public warning. >>>>> >>>>>When somebody is banned, it deserves a public announcement. If it does not, what >>>>>will??? >>>>> >>>>>Transparency in the moderators' work is important. In any democracy, the justice >>>>>decisions are published officially. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>Actually, that is wrong. When someone gets fired from a company, does that >>>>get publicized? Nope. >>> >>> >>> >>>Coworkers know. Same here. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>Not the same thing. "co-workers" might be 10 people. "here" might >>be 10,000 people... >> >>Not to mention the fact that discussing thre reasons for a ban in public >>could expose one to legal tort... > > > >So what? > > > > Christophe > So I doubt anyone wants to be exposed to that for executing responsibilities for a job that pays exactly _nothing_. > > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> It is a private matter unless the person getting fired >>>>chooses to take it public. It is his particular "world" that has changed, >>>>and he should have the opportunity to choose whether it remain private or >>>>become public... >>>> >>>>The common practice is "praise in public, chastise in private". It works >>>>pretty well...
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