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Subject: Re: Deep Blue and the

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:00:06 11/11/98

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On November 11, 1998 at 16:35:35, Don Dailey wrote:

>On November 11, 1998 at 14:31:09, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>>>IMO you simply give a guy like Garry Kasparov a re-match out of
>>>>respect. He asked for it so you give it to him. Shame on IBM! Note that's
>>>>some different than shame on Deep Blue. They did a fantastic job.
>>
>>>>- Ed -
>>
>>
>>>you really blew that response badly... based on one word:  "respect".
>>>Why would IBM have any "respect" for Kasparov now?  He called them
>>>cheaters at a press conference...  Personally, my "respect" for Kasparov is
>>>down to zero, and still falling.  I'd certainly consider Karpov, whom I have a
>>>*bunch* of respect for however...
>>
>>Sure Kasparov has a temper. He did badly. But that's not the point. I am
>>pointing at IBM one of the biggest companies on earth.
>>
>>They made the match a fantastic spectacle. Even now we are still talking
>>about the match all matches. They won and this shocked the chess world.
>>
>>It's against all chess etiquette not to honor the request of Kasparov for a
>>revenge match. I find this quite a humiliating treatment for the current
>>best chess player on earth.
>>
>>If Vishy Anand asks me for a re-match I say YES no matter if I am in
>>the mood for it or not. I say YES and I will make sure it will happen.
>>That is simply the price you have to pay when you have won. It's
>>an obligation based on chess etiquette.
>>
>>If you play against such giants then take the etiquette into account.
>>Anything else is showing no respect. In this light shame on IBM
>>lacking respect to world's best chess player and therefore also
>>a slap in the face to the whole chess community. IMO.
>>
>>About temper... Kasparov lost, Anand lost. Both by surprise. It wasn't
>>expected. We all have seen the face of Kasparov on television when
>>he lost. I have seen Anand's. It's their worst nightmare losing from a
>>computer.
>>
>>So let them steam off. It means nothing! IBM knows. I know. It's no
>>big deal. It's no excuse for IBM not to play again.
>>
>>- Ed -
>
>I have to second this comment.  Respect is a funny word and does
>not necessarily mean "admiration."  Being the best player in the
>world deserves respect.  To me, respect is an acknowledgement of
>something.  It might be as simply as nodding to a stranger as he
>passed by when he nods to you instead of ignoring him.  But in
>this case it comes across as brash and tactless to essentially
>thumb your nose at him because you finally managed to barely
>beat him a SINGLE time.
>
>
>- Don


I can't speak for IBM.  But if that had been Cray Blitz, and we had won,
I would not "thumb my nose because I barely managed to win."  I would
"thumb my nose because he accused me of being dishonest."  That's about as
bad an insult as can be levied against someone in a scientific endeavor...

And it's a line you don't cross over without something of substance to
back you up.  And of course, this by the same player that picked up a piece,
moved it, then when nobody looked picked it back up and put it on a *different*
square... and denied it... and then was horrified to find that it was caught on
a video camera...

Nice fella, that Kasparov...



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