Author: Roberto Waldteufel
Date: 15:33:58 11/11/98
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On November 11, 1998 at 08:08:10, Frank Schneider wrote: >On November 11, 1998 at 06:32:54, Roberto Waldteufel wrote: > >> >>On November 11, 1998 at 02:47:21, Frank Schneider wrote: >< most of the old message left out> > >>>b) There are Linux projects that try to offer the Windows32-api on Linux (Wine). >>> *IF* they become better porting a program to Linux would become easier. >>> About a year ago I tried to run Gromit1.2 under Linux (using a early >>> version of Wine) and it worked. Not perfectly, but one could play chess. > >>Hi Frank, >> >>Option (b) comes as something of a revelation to me! Do you suppose that 32-bit >>Windows Console Applications (ie "DOS box" programs with text-only screen) would >>run readily under linux using this technique? >If your program is a console program that doesn't open any windows itself >dosemu should be an option (see Ernst's message). I have no experience using >it, but it is said to be quiet good. I've heard some commercial DOS-programs >can be used in DOSEMU (was it here or in ccc???). This sounds like an excellent solution as long as dosemu can handle programs that run only under Windows version of DOS as comes with Win95/Win98/WinNT. The program uses the Windows API for screen, keyboard and file I/O. > >>I ask because my program is >>precisely that, a console application. Although it is compiled as a 32-bit >>Windows application, it uses no fancy graphics, no mouse support, and runs in >>full screen mode (ie no window) with a 50 line x 80 character display. Strangely >>enough, I manage to display a reasonable chess diagram in this restricted medium >>(not as good as Gromit's nice GUI though). I would hope that this would make my >>program an ideal application for WINE, since it uses only a simple subset of the >>Windows API, only requiring the API for screen, keyboard and file I/O. >Wine is more like an emulator and costs some performace (Gromit1.2 ran at >roughly 70% of the original speed). >However, Wine or dosemu could be two possibilities to run your program under >Linux. Oh dear only 70% is not too good. According to Ernst the dosemu program runs DOS programs at full speed, so perhaps this is my best bet. >> >>I wrote the program with PBCC, which is specifically a console compiler for >>32-bit Windows. The compiler manufacturers are intending to develop a version of >>the same compiler for linux, but I have no idea how long this will take. >I think dosemu or Wine would only help you, if your compiler could be used >under Linux. But if you start using Linux, why not use gcc/g++ as a compiler? > Ah, but this would mean learning a new language, not just a new compiler. I do not program in C, and even have to struggle to understand code written in C. PBCC is not a C compiler, it is a Basic compiler (PBCC stands for PowerBasic Console Compiler) and Assembler combination. That's why I was waiting for PowerBasic to release the linux version of PBCC > >> My >>general dissatisfaction with Windows has lead me to await the arrival of a >>linnux version of the compiler with considerable interest, but I have held off >>trying linnux so far because I thought that niether my program nor my compiler >>could run without the Windows API. If I was mistaken in this impression, I think >>I would like to give linnux a try without waiting for the linux version of the >>compiler. I hear linux is very stable :-) >From my point of view it is. I started using Linux (2.0.18) in 1995 and till now >I had not a single crash (tock tock tock.. ;-) I also use Win95 (and used >Win3.1, OS/2, Win NT) and I had many crashes, some causing loss of data. This sounds rather familiar. Everyone says how robust linux is, and I think that is a basic pre-requisite of any half-competent operating system, and is a requirement that appears to have escaped Micro$oft's attention. > > >>I only have to look sideways at >>Windows95 and it crashes.....:-( >> >>Best wishes, >>Roberto > >Suggestion: try to install the Cygnus development kit (free from >http://www.cygnus.com) which offers GNU-tools under windows. If you can >port your program to gcc/g++ under windows/cygnus, compiling it under Linux >should be trivial. Oh dear - the dreaded C language again. I may be unfashionable, but I like programming in Basic. I am game for learning to use a new operating system, but not for learning a new language at the same time. > >Good luck, > >Frank Thanks for the tips. I think I will look into the dosemu possibility. If it will work with "Windows DOS" programs, then I should be able to compile under Windows and run under linnux, at least until I get my hands on the linux PBCC. Best wishes, Roberto
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