Author: margolies,marc
Date: 17:48:51 11/06/03
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I suppose we need to paranthesize what is meant by the strongest chess program. There is no doubt that Shredder is the leader of Chess Programs in Comp tournaments-- ro maybe little doubt. We are then left with the impression that Friedel and friends are refering to anti-Human play, not engine matches when they laud their DeepFritz product. I do not think the answer is clear though, Shredder deported well in Argentina against titled players while Hiarcs met Bareev with good games. One might suppose that the DF Kramnik match might give them some steam. since Gari already played Junior this year, would he get any Prss Coverage should he do it again? If Deep Fritz ever replaces Radjabov or Vallejo-Pons in Linares, and scores acceptably, that would shake the world. On November 06, 2003 at 16:02:26, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On November 06, 2003 at 14:00:56, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On November 06, 2003 at 13:43:06, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 2003 at 08:33:27, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On November 05, 2003 at 18:37:48, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>> >>>>>it makes no sense to let kaspa play against the strongest >>>>>chessbase products. >>>>>those chess programs have a good selling. >>>> >>>>Really? You know this for a fact? >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I am too involved to make comments, however I saw what follows: >>> >>>1. No matter how many WCCC we win we are not allowed to face Kasparov or Kramnik >>>2. No matter if we are leading the SSDF list with a clear margin we are not >>>allowed to face Kasparov or kramnik >>>3. No matter nearly all tests indicates Shredder 7.04 is the strongest engine >>>some people still think Shredder is just as another program... >>>4. No matter everything Fritz is always presented as the strongest program by >>>F.F. >>> >>>Will we ever have a chance to play against those players? At least one of them? >>> >>>Then we will know... >>> >>>I keep preparing that match hoping one day we will have such opportunity... >>> >>>Sandro >>> >>>>> >>>>>it makes sense to make the match against the weakest engines, >>>>>to give them a PR kick. >>>> >>>>You're joking aren't you? >>>> >>>>The only thing you have right is it's a PR stunt. >>>> >>>>Well mostly, I'm sure Chessbase would like to win. >>>>Would Shredder make any difference? No. > >Hi, > >I did not say Shredder is the strongest program. I am too involved to give >statements in one way or another. > >I said that nearly all tests indicates that Shredder 7.04 is the strongest >program now available. >The SSDF list says the same. > >The results of test and matches are not opinions but facts. > >Since all the top chess programs are being improved, it could be that the latest >version of Shredder may not be the strongest. This nobody knows. > >If Kasparov shred Shredder or not it is just a matter of opinions until the >match will take place. >It could be as you say or the other way around. >What I say is that we (me, Stefan and Arnaldo) would like to see that match. > >One think you can be sure of: if we can kill him we will, no matter of >commercial interests...(no prisoniers...) > >IBM project is over. > >Sandro > >> >> >>Shredder is just another top commercial programme with no basis in fact that >>it's the strogest programme, I've already explained this. >> >>The SSDF list does't confirm Shredder is the _best_ engine or if it has the >>_best_ book etc. >> >>Regardless, if Kasparov meant business, he'd SHRED, SHREDDER...but this is an >>exhibition match, and means very little, except to an ignorant public, who >>thinks Deep Blue is better than Kasparov! >> >>I would like to see another serious match, but IBM won't give us one, nor anyone >>else at this time. >> >>If there is a problem on what ChessBase programme plays Kasparov, and people >>feel it should be Shredder getting the PR then I'd like to hear it from SMK. >> >>Terry
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