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Subject: Re: Why can't Kasparov play Shredder 7.04 or 8.0?

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 05:45:11 11/07/03

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On November 07, 2003 at 08:13:40, Terry McCracken wrote:


>Sune your asking the wrong question, as this statistical analysis really means
>very little.

Hey great.

I was trying to provoke a proper argument from you, your last one didn't suffice
IMO :)

>I'm annoyed so much _faith_ can be attributed to such such small numbers as
>proof of Shredder 7.04s strength.

But here is the thing, if Shedder beats Fritz, then Shedder has *proven*
it has a better understanding of the game.

The "understanding" includes everything from tactics to positional play, what
you lack in one place you can make up for somewhere else.

The old "I would have had a won endgame if you hadn't mated me" argument
falls to the floor here, winning is all that counts :)

>What would be interesting is the quality of the games, and how much book
>influence contributed to the wins as well.

I don't think quality is that easy to compare, honestly I think all engines look
pretty stupid now and then.

Whether Fritz is better than Shredder (against Garry) is impossible to know, but
the circumstantial evidence (SSDF) suggests it probably isn't.

>It could be with a very small change
>in parameters that Fritz 8 would be sitting at top spot.

I'm not so sure, it looks like a pretty solid lead right now for Shredder.

In any case you could make the same argument the other way around, that a small
change in Shredder would make it even stronger.

>Of course there is some chance at work here as well. I thought my point would be
>understood. I guess not..

I don't see a good argument in favor of Fritz being the strongest.

-S.
>Terry



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