Author: Jim Bond
Date: 17:09:05 11/07/03
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On November 06, 2003 at 22:38:32, Terry McCracken wrote: >On November 06, 2003 at 19:29:36, Jim Bond wrote: > >>On November 05, 2003 at 18:33:14, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>>On November 05, 2003 at 17:24:27, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>Why can't the real interests and passions of the chess (computer) world be given >>>>more consideration, in having Kasparov play something which has already been top >>>>for some time, and is clearly reported to be stronger at next release, such as >>>>Shredder? >>>> >>>>Kasparov already played fritz recently (or was it Kramnik? same thing really) >>>>and both Fritz and Junior achieved the disgusting result (for their rivals) of a >>>>draw each in matches against the two top humans. >>>> >>>>Why do we need more of that now? >>>> >>>>All we want to see now is that Kasparov is ripped to shreds from software, and >>>>that will make us completely sure that computers are better from then on, and >>>>then we won't need any more such matches. So in order to achieve this, wouldn't >>>>it be better to have the best possible program against him? >>>> >>>>Do we have to waste another few years to see what we want to see? Isn't it >>>>public inconvenience? >>>> >>>>If now he either draws again, or wins by half a point, wouldn't it be more >>>>meaningful (showing that Kasparov is not beatable by a machine quite yet) if the >>>>program he plays against is as much as possible stronger (and different) from >>>>the last programs which Kasparov and Kamnik drew with? >>>> >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>>Stuart, why is this match necessary ? >>> >>>Let's see: >>> >>>Shredder is proven to be the strongest program. >>> >>>THEREFORE >>> >>>It is known that Shredder will kill Kasparov. >>> >>>THEREFORE >>> >>>No Shredder match is necessary. >>> >>>So what's wrong with letting us weaker guys play ? >>> >>>Amir >> >> >>Because it proves that there is a bias toward Shredder. There is a marketing >>strategy for weaker computer chess programs. It shows that the stronger do not >>get a chance to show for itself due monetary reasons. Your commercial program >>is not that strong after all. >>Jim > >Bullshit! Look, chipping out another 80 pounds for a program where I don't get any clear and decisive wins over other programs like CM9000, Fritz, or Shredder, I am dissappointed to be suckered in by the hype, man. I am not BS-ing.
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