Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 17:26:59 11/07/03
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On November 07, 2003 at 20:09:05, Jim Bond wrote: >On November 06, 2003 at 22:38:32, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On November 06, 2003 at 19:29:36, Jim Bond wrote: >> >>>On November 05, 2003 at 18:33:14, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>>On November 05, 2003 at 17:24:27, stuart taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>Why can't the real interests and passions of the chess (computer) world be given >>>>>more consideration, in having Kasparov play something which has already been top >>>>>for some time, and is clearly reported to be stronger at next release, such as >>>>>Shredder? >>>>> >>>>>Kasparov already played fritz recently (or was it Kramnik? same thing really) >>>>>and both Fritz and Junior achieved the disgusting result (for their rivals) of a >>>>>draw each in matches against the two top humans. >>>>> >>>>>Why do we need more of that now? >>>>> >>>>>All we want to see now is that Kasparov is ripped to shreds from software, and >>>>>that will make us completely sure that computers are better from then on, and >>>>>then we won't need any more such matches. So in order to achieve this, wouldn't >>>>>it be better to have the best possible program against him? >>>>> >>>>>Do we have to waste another few years to see what we want to see? Isn't it >>>>>public inconvenience? >>>>> >>>>>If now he either draws again, or wins by half a point, wouldn't it be more >>>>>meaningful (showing that Kasparov is not beatable by a machine quite yet) if the >>>>>program he plays against is as much as possible stronger (and different) from >>>>>the last programs which Kasparov and Kamnik drew with? >>>>> >>>>>S.Taylor >>>> >>>>Stuart, why is this match necessary ? >>>> >>>>Let's see: >>>> >>>>Shredder is proven to be the strongest program. >>>> >>>>THEREFORE >>>> >>>>It is known that Shredder will kill Kasparov. >>>> >>>>THEREFORE >>>> >>>>No Shredder match is necessary. >>>> >>>>So what's wrong with letting us weaker guys play ? >>>> >>>>Amir >>> >>> >>>Because it proves that there is a bias toward Shredder. There is a marketing >>>strategy for weaker computer chess programs. It shows that the stronger do not >>>get a chance to show for itself due monetary reasons. Your commercial program >>>is not that strong after all. >>>Jim >> >>Bullshit! > > >Look, chipping out another 80 pounds for a program where I don't get any clear >and decisive wins over other programs like CM9000, Fritz, or Shredder, I am >dissappointed to be suckered in by the hype, man. I am not BS-ing. There is always hype, when selling a product, whether it's a chess programme or a new car, or anything for that matter. But you know that already... What annoyed me was how you attacked Amir's work, and basically called it mediocre at best. That's hardly fair either. The big names, all in all are within 50 rating points of one another. Terry P.S. What really annoys me is what will be written in this forum about Kasparov vs Deep Fritz 8, regardless of the outcome. The postings will be flooding in on Tue. and Wed. till the end of the match...
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