Author: Jim Bond
Date: 19:46:18 11/07/03
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On November 07, 2003 at 20:26:59, Terry McCracken wrote: >On November 07, 2003 at 20:09:05, Jim Bond wrote: > >>On November 06, 2003 at 22:38:32, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 2003 at 19:29:36, Jim Bond wrote: >>> >>>>On November 05, 2003 at 18:33:14, Amir Ban wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 05, 2003 at 17:24:27, stuart taylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Why can't the real interests and passions of the chess (computer) world be given >>>>>>more consideration, in having Kasparov play something which has already been top >>>>>>for some time, and is clearly reported to be stronger at next release, such as >>>>>>Shredder? >>>>>> >>>>>>Kasparov already played fritz recently (or was it Kramnik? same thing really) >>>>>>and both Fritz and Junior achieved the disgusting result (for their rivals) of a >>>>>>draw each in matches against the two top humans. >>>>>> >>>>>>Why do we need more of that now? >>>>>> >>>>>>All we want to see now is that Kasparov is ripped to shreds from software, and >>>>>>that will make us completely sure that computers are better from then on, and >>>>>>then we won't need any more such matches. So in order to achieve this, wouldn't >>>>>>it be better to have the best possible program against him? >>>>>> >>>>>>Do we have to waste another few years to see what we want to see? Isn't it >>>>>>public inconvenience? >>>>>> >>>>>>If now he either draws again, or wins by half a point, wouldn't it be more >>>>>>meaningful (showing that Kasparov is not beatable by a machine quite yet) if the >>>>>>program he plays against is as much as possible stronger (and different) from >>>>>>the last programs which Kasparov and Kamnik drew with? >>>>>> >>>>>>S.Taylor >>>>> >>>>>Stuart, why is this match necessary ? >>>>> >>>>>Let's see: >>>>> >>>>>Shredder is proven to be the strongest program. >>>>> >>>>>THEREFORE >>>>> >>>>>It is known that Shredder will kill Kasparov. >>>>> >>>>>THEREFORE >>>>> >>>>>No Shredder match is necessary. >>>>> >>>>>So what's wrong with letting us weaker guys play ? >>>>> >>>>>Amir >>>> >>>> >>>>Because it proves that there is a bias toward Shredder. There is a marketing >>>>strategy for weaker computer chess programs. It shows that the stronger do not >>>>get a chance to show for itself due monetary reasons. Your commercial program >>>>is not that strong after all. >>>>Jim >>> >>>Bullshit! >> >> >>Look, chipping out another 80 pounds for a program where I don't get any clear >>and decisive wins over other programs like CM9000, Fritz, or Shredder, I am >>dissappointed to be suckered in by the hype, man. I am not BS-ing. > >There is always hype, when selling a product, whether it's a chess programme or >a new car, or anything for that matter. But you know that already... > >What annoyed me was how you attacked Amir's work, and basically called it >mediocre at best. That's hardly fair either. > >The big names, all in all are within 50 rating points of one another. > >Terry > >P.S. > >What really annoys me is what will be written in this forum about Kasparov vs >Deep Fritz 8, regardless of the outcome. > >The postings will be flooding in on Tue. and Wed. till the end of the match... My point is until then (which could be a few months), buy Shredder and nothing else ...
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