Author: D.B. Morris
Date: 06:37:54 11/08/03
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Thank you and others for their comments. The line started as (what I think is a) French 2 Knights and probably went inferior. 1. e4 e6 2. Nf3 b6 3. Nc3 Bb7 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. d3 Bb4 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 d5 8. exd5 Nxd5. My interest wasn't too much in the line (as noted above)but more in what other top programs would assess. I just find it hard to believe such a strong program as Deep Fritz would spend 20 minutes saying the best line would be 9. Bg5 then 9...Qd6 then 10. Bd2 when 9.Bd2 could have been played first without Black gaining what seems to be a tempo. At least for me, from a positional consideration, the position seems to hold some relevant insight. Thanks again for your comments. D.B. On November 07, 2003 at 15:31:25, John Merlino wrote: >On November 07, 2003 at 15:08:34, Eelco de Groot wrote: > >>On November 07, 2003 at 12:57:58, D.B. Morris wrote: >> >>>I'd appreciate the accessment of some other programs such as Shredder 7.04 >>>and/or others regarding the positional judgement out of this unorthodox French. >>>I'm slightly suspicious of Deep Fritz's evaluation of Bg5 (slightly >>>favored)after 20 minutes. From White's perspective 9. Bg5 doesn't look that bad >>>but it seems to perhaps lose a tempo and help Black's development after 9...Qd6. >>> (Deep Fritz after about 30-35 minutes changed and slightly favored 9. Qd2) >>>Analysis by Deep Fritz: >>>1. = (-0.12): 9.Qd2 Nd7 10.0-0 a6 11.Re1 0-0 12.Ng5 Re8 13.Bxd5 Bxd5 >>>2. = (-0.22): 9.Bg5 Qd6 10.Bd2 0-0 11.0-0 Nd7 12.Re1 N5f6 >>>3. = (-0.25): 9.Bd2 Qf6 10.d4 Nf4 11.Bxf4 Qxf4 >>>4. ³ (-0.28): 9.Bxd5 Qxd5 10.0-0 c5 11.Re1 Qh5 12.Re3 Nd7 13.Bb2 Bxf3 >>>5. ³ (-0.31): 9.Ng5 0-0 10.Qh5 h6 11.Ne4 Nf6 12.Qf3 Nxe4 >>> >>>[D]wKe1,Qd1,Nf3,Bc1,c4,Ra1,h1,Pa3,c2,c3,d3,f2,g2,h2/bKe8,Qd8,Nb8,d5,Bb7,Ra8,h8,Pa7,b6,c7,e6,f7,g7,h7 >> >>Hello, >> >>A diagram to make it better visible, but I've forgotten how you can get an EPD >>or FEN as they call it from Fritz. That's what you have to put behind [D] or [d] >>in your message to get a good diagram. I'm sure the Fritz-manual mentions >>somewhere how to do that. >> >>Old Rebel Century 2.0 plays 9.Bd2. Rebel says he's out of book but maybe if I >>entered the position with the opening moves he would have the position >>somewhere? >>Was it something like this? >> >>1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne7 >>6.Nf3 b6 7 7.exd5 Nxd5 8.Bc4 Bb7 * >> >> >>[D]rn1qk2r/pbp2ppp/1p2p3/3n4/2B5/P1PP1N2/2P2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - > >This line doesn't work because, according to the original post, White has a pawn >on d3 instead of d4. > >What is the actual line? > >Additionally, this must be a rather obscure position, because I can find no game >with it in the Chessmaster database (over half-million games). > >Finally, here is what CM9000 says after a brief search on a humble P3-1.0GHz >machine: > >Time Depth Score Positions Moves >0:00 1/3 0.53 1601 1.Bd2 Qf6 2.O-O Nxc3 >0:00 1/4 0.62 4058 1.Bd2 O-O 2.O-O Nd7 3.Qe2 >0:00 1/4 0.70 8869 1.Bg5 Qd6 2.Bxd5 Bxd5 3.O-O >0:00 1/5 0.39 13688 1.Bg5 Qd6 2.O-O O-O 3.Qd2 Nd7 >0:00 1/5 0.46 18163 1.Bd2 O-O 2.O-O Nd7 3.Qe2 Qe7 >0:00 1/5 0.47 25058 1.O-O O-O 2.Bd2 Qf6 3.Nd4 Nd7 >0:00 1/6 0.50 34731 1.O-O O-O 2.Bd2 Nd7 3.Qe2 Qe7 4.d4 >0:00 1/7 0.33 88614 1.O-O O-O 2.Bd2 Qd6 3.Re1 Nd7 4.a4 > e5 >0:02 1/8 0.41 213810 1.O-O O-O 2.Bd2 Qd6 3.Re1 Nd7 4.a4 > e5 5.d4 >0:06 1/9 0.31 682941 1.O-O O-O 2.Bd2 Qf6 3.d4 Nf4 4.Re1 > Nd7 5.Rb1 Rad8 >0:16 1/10 0.34 1905967 1.O-O O-O 2.Bd2 Qf6 3.Ng5 Nxc3 > 4.Qe1 Na4 5.Ne4 Qe5 6.Rb1 >0:44 2/11 0.22 5213346 1.O-O O-O 2.Bd2 Qf6 3.d4 Nf4 4.Re1 > Nd7 5.Rb1 Rad8 6.Rb4 Rfe8 >3:33 3/12 0.27 25335705 1.O-O Qf6 2.d4 Nxc3 3.Qe1 Bxf3 > 4.Qxc3 Bb7 5.Rd1 O-O 6.Qg3 Nc6 > 7.Qxc7 > >jm
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