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Subject: Re: maybe I have wrong Chest settings, not sure

Author: F. Huber

Date: 10:58:58 11/09/03

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On November 09, 2003 at 12:22:57, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>
>Shredder 7        mate in   4 seconds
>Ruffian 1.0.5     mate in   6 seconds
>Chess Tiger 14.0  mate in  16 seconds
>ChestUCI Ver.2.7  mate in 349 seconds
>
>  [D] 3k2r1/1Pr4p/2bbpPP1/2pp3P/1NP2N1r/QnB5/4B3/3RK1R1 w - -
>
>Shredder 7
>2158mhz AMD
>192 hash
>
>  8/29	 0:00 	+39.22	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Bxf4 3.Nxc6 Bg3+ 4.Rxg3 Rh1+ 5.Bf1 hxg6
>6.Ne5+ Kd6 7.Qxb3 Rxh5 8.cxd5 exd5 (393.569) 412.9
>  9/29	 0:02 	+39.47++	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Rxf4 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nxc6 hxg6 5.Nb8+
>(1.006.911) 466.8
>  9/29	 0:02 	+39.97++	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Rxf4 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nxc6 Rxc6 5.Qa7+ Bc7
>6.Rxd5+ Rd6 7.Bb5+ (1.049.190) 463.0
>  9/36	 0:04 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ Ke6 10.g8Q+ (1.911.381) 463.3
> 10/10	 0:04 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ Ke6 10.g8Q+ (2.096.658) 467.4
> 11/11	 0:05 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ (2.746.841) 461.4
> 12/31	 0:07 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ (3.638.002) 471.3
> 13/19	 0:08 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ (3.788.690) 472.6
> 14/35	 0:10 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 e5 3.Nxc6 Kxc6 4.Qxd5+ Kb6 5.Qxb3+ Ka6
>(4.875.519) 474.1
> 15/25	 0:11 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ (5.392.770) 487.4
> 16/28	 0:11 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ (5.947.981) 500.2
> 17/20	 0:13 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ (6.993.039) 527.7
> 18/28	 0:17 	  +M12	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Ke7 5.Nxc6+ Kf6
>6.Bxd4+ e5 7.Nxd5+ Kf5 8.f8Q+ Bxf8 9.g7+ (9.754.062) 573.2
> 19/24	 0:24 	  +M11	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Ke8 4.f7+ Kd8 5.Nxc6+ Nxc6
>6.Nxe6+ Kc8 7.f8R+ Kb7 8.Qa8+ (15.055.097) 613.6
> 20/28	 0:40 	  +M9 	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Nxc6 Nc2+ 4.Kd2 Bxf4+ 5.Kxc2 Rc8
>6.Qxh7+ Kd6 7.Qaa7 (26.726.347) 654.0
>best move: b7-b8Q time: 1:10.063 min  n/s: 681.457  CPU 98.4%  nodes: 47.744.972
>
>
>Ruffian 1.0.5
>2158 mhz AMD
>192 hash
>
>  7/24	 0:00 	+28.70	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Bxf4 3.gxh7 Bg3+ 4.Rxg3 Rh1+ 5.Bf1 Rxf1+
>6.Kxf1 Nd2+ 7.Rxd2 cxb4 (980.307) 1307.0
>  8/24	 0:01 	+29.05++	1.b8Q+ (2.446.084) 1374.2
>  8/25	 0:03 	+42.56	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.gxh7 Bf8 4.Qf7+ Kd6 5.Qxf8+ Ke5
>6.Bxd4+ cxd4 7.Ng6+ Kf5 8.Nxh4+ Kf4 9.h8Q dxc4 (5.006.066) 1455.2
>  9/28	 0:05 	+42.91++	1.b8Q+ (9.217.077) 1586.4
>  9/28	 0:06 	  +M9 	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.gxh7 Bf8 4.Qf7+ Kd6 5.Qxf8+ Ke5
>6.Bxd4+ cxd4 7.Ng6+ Kf5 8.Qf3+ Rf4 9.Qxf4+ (10.480.680) 1597.6
> 10/28	 0:15 	  +M9 	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.gxh7 Nc2+ 4.Nxc2 Rg4 5.Qxe6+ Kd8
>6.h8Q+ Rg8 7.Qxd6+ Kc8 8.Rxg8+ Be8 9.Qa8+ (25.780.863) 1681.7
> 11/28	 0:45 	  +M9 	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.gxh7 Nc2+ 4.Nxc2 Rg4 5.Qxe6+ Kd8
>6.h8Q+ Rg8 7.Qxd6+ Kc8 8.Rxg8+ Be8 9.Qa8+ (79.486.890) 1729.1
> 12/28	 2:09 	  +M8 	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qf7+ Kc8 4.Qa6+ Rb7 5.Nxc6 Nc2+
>6.Kd2 Bxf4+ 7.Kxc2 dxc4 8.Qfxb7+ (226.213.948) 1749.7
>best move: b7-b8Q time: 2:29.984 min  n/s: 1.755.567  CPU 98.0%  nodes:
>263.300.004
>
>
>Chess Tiger 14.0:
>
>1.b8Q+
>  +-  (32.06)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  2021kN
>1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qxh7+ Kc8 4.g7 Rxg7 5.fxg7 Nf3+ 6.Bxf3
>  +-  (38.12)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  3066kN
>1.b8Q+
>  +-  (39.02)   Depth: 10   00:00:11  8314kN
>1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Nxc6 Nc2+ 4.Kd2 Bxf4+ 5.Kxc2 Rxc6 6.Qxh7+ Kc8 7.Qa8+ Bb8
>8.Qab7+ Kd8
>  +-  (#9)   Depth: 10   00:00:16  11488kN
>1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Nxc6 Nc2+ 4.Kd2
>  +-  (#9)   Depth: 11   00:00:33  23865kN
>
>
>
>ChestUCI Ver.2.7
>Franz Huber
>CPU: 2158mhzAMD
>FEN: 3k2r1/1Pr4p/2bbpPP1/2pp3P/1NP2N1r/QnB5/4B3/3RK1R1 w - -
>Search for Mate in 12 ...  (Hash=192MB)
>Mate in 8 found !  (1 Solution in 05:49)
>  8/08	 5:49 	  +M8 	1.b8Q+ Kd7 2.Qxg8 Nd4 3.Qf7+ Be7 4.Qxe7+ Kc8 5.Qa6+ Rb7
>6.Nxc6 Nc2+ 7.Kd2 Na1 8.Qexb7+ 242.8
>best move: b7-b8Q time: 5:49.937 min  n/s: 242.843  nodes: 84.884.919

Hi,

no, there´s nothing wrong with your Chest settings, but I´m really
wondering what you are comparing here (?).

Looking at your text _I_ see the following:

Shredder 7        ONLY a mate in 9 in   40 seconds (not the shortest!)
Ruffian 1.0.5          a mate in 8 in  129 seconds (the shortest?, the only?)
Chess Tiger 14.0  ONLY a mate in 9 in   16 seconds (not the shortest!)
ChestUCI Ver.2.7  the shortest and only mate in 9 in 349 seconds

I hope you understand, what I want to say with it:
You are comparing absolutely different things -
a mate solver searches for the _shortest_ mate and for _all_ solutions,
where a normal chess engines finds _any_ mate (if at all).
So the ´solutions´ of Shredder7 and CT14 are not really ones;
Ruffians solution is ok, but you can´t be sure if this is the shortest
(and the only) one - and so the time difference between Ruffian and Chest
isn´t really dramatically.

Btw., one way to eventually solve this problem faster could be to increase
the hash size, but only if the hash usage (in ChestUCI) is growing up
to 100% (and if you have more RAM, of course).

Best regards,
Franz.



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