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Subject: Re: Search algorithms

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 08:35:58 11/10/03

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On November 08, 2003 at 11:08:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 07, 2003 at 14:14:08, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On November 06, 2003 at 22:31:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 06, 2003 at 20:43:58, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 06, 2003 at 19:46:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 06, 2003 at 11:22:54, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 06, 2003 at 09:47:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 06, 2003 at 08:33:49, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On November 06, 2003 at 05:45:53, Renze Steenhuisen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Depth-First Algorithms:
>>>>>>>>>  AlphaBeta (Fail-hard, Fail-Soft)
>>>>>>>>>  MTD(f)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Best-First Algorithms:
>>>>>>>>>  SSS*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The distinction between the three (and best-first and depth-first)
>>>>>>>>is very hazy, read "Research re: search and research" by Aske Plaat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>GCP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eh?  The distinction is _huge_.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>One searches the tree in one direction and requires very little memory.  The
>>>>>>>other searches the tree in another direction and requires huge memory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm not sure how you could say that the distinction is very hazy.  They
>>>>>>>are as different as night and day...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, MTD(infinity) is equivalent to (searches exactly the same tree as) SSS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's fine.  A best-first (breadth-first) search can search _exactly_
>>>>>the same tree as a minimax (depth-first) search also.  Doesn't mean a
>>>>>thing about how similar the two approaches are, however...
>>>>>
>>>>>However, the trees are grown differently.    I don't think any book I
>>>>>know of uses the actual search space as a way to define a search
>>>>>strategy...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jonathan/Grad/plaat.phd.ps
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>Fine, but the point is that in this particular case, they are not as different
>>>>as night and day. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>They are different in the base algorithm.  They are different in their
>>>memory requirements.  They are different in the order in which they search
>>>the tree.  They are different in how hashing may (or may not) work.
>>
>>They are *NOT* different in the order in which they search the tree.  The
>>traversal order is identical.
>>
>>Dave
>
>Sorry but that is _wrong_.  It might be true for _one_ example.  But
>the topic was the two classes of search, best-first and breadth-first.
>They do _not_ in general, search the trees in the same order.
>
>By their very definition.
>
>Otherwise there would be no breadth-first or depth-first discussions
>in search theory.

No, the topic was not about best-first and depth-first, it was about the
specific search algorithms GCP mentioned.

Dave



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