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Subject: Re: Tal and Fischer real ELO

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 18:11:17 11/10/03

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On November 10, 2003 at 04:32:24, bo brady wrote:

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>This is an excerpt from Scid's ELO file
>Tal is said to have had a rating of 2705 in 1980
>but in 1979:2615 and in 1981:2555
>Is the 1980 figure a mistake?
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>Tal, Mikhail N          #gm  LAT [2710] 1936.11.09--1992.06.28
>%Elo 1971:2610,2620 1972:2625 1973:2660 1974:2635 1975:2645
>%Elo 1976:2615 1977:2620 1978:2625 1979:2615 1980:2705 1981:2555,2560
>%Elo 1982:2605,2610 1983:2620,2620 1984:2620,2605 1985:2565,2565
>%Elo 1986:2600,2600 1987:2605,2625 1988:2630,2610 1989:2610,2585
>%Elo 1990:2585 1991:2565,2575 1992:2520
>= Tal, Mikhail Nekhemyevich
>= Tal, Mihail N
>= Tal, Michail N
>= Tal, MN
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>Also, Fischer is said to have had a rating of 2780 in 1992 and as of 1999
>But he did not play a single official tournament since 1972
>Is Fischer's rating here a mistake or purely theoretical?
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>Fischer, Robert J       #gm  USA [2790] 1943.03.09
>%Bio World champion, 1972-1975.
>%Elo 1971:2740,2760 1972:2785 1992:2785 1997:2780 1999:2780,2780
>%Elo 2000:2780,2780 2001:2780,2780,2780,2780 2002:2780,2780,2780,2780
>%Elo 2003:2780
>= Fischer, Robert James
>= Fischer, RJ

Apparantly Fischer still has membership ID # in FIDE and his rating istill 2780
although he may be considered inactive.

http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=2000016

Tal lived as he played - on the edge and taking risks.  His hard, fast living
(mostly smoking and alcohol) wore down his body and he enjoyed less than robust
health after his mid 20's.  He suffered his fist heat attack before he was 30
and he had a kidney removed at the age of 32. IMO, His best games were played
before 1962 while he was under the age of 25.


There is no doubt IMO, that if Tal had better health and took care of his body a
little more (no smoking and drinking) - he perhaps would gone down as one of
the top 3 players that ever played instead of one of the top 15 or so that ever
played.  For play the under the age of 25, perhaps he had no equal.  He defeated
WC Mikhail Botvinnik 12 ½ to 8 ½ a the age of 23.  This  was not a welcomed
development in the USSR at the time as Botvinnik was considered a favorite son
by the Communist party. .

A final testament to his playing strength - he is one of two players (the other
- Efim Geller) that had a plus score against Bobby Fischer with at least 10
games played. BTW, In Curacco 1962, when he was 25 he had to withdraw due to ill
health, the only GM to visit him in the hospital was Fischer.



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