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Subject: Re: Tal and Fischer real ELO

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 18:32:23 11/10/03

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On November 10, 2003 at 21:11:17, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On November 10, 2003 at 04:32:24, bo brady wrote:
>
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>>
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>>This is an excerpt from Scid's ELO file
>>Tal is said to have had a rating of 2705 in 1980
>>but in 1979:2615 and in 1981:2555
>>Is the 1980 figure a mistake?
>>
>>Tal, Mikhail N          #gm  LAT [2710] 1936.11.09--1992.06.28
>>%Elo 1971:2610,2620 1972:2625 1973:2660 1974:2635 1975:2645
>>%Elo 1976:2615 1977:2620 1978:2625 1979:2615 1980:2705 1981:2555,2560
>>%Elo 1982:2605,2610 1983:2620,2620 1984:2620,2605 1985:2565,2565
>>%Elo 1986:2600,2600 1987:2605,2625 1988:2630,2610 1989:2610,2585
>>%Elo 1990:2585 1991:2565,2575 1992:2520
>>= Tal, Mikhail Nekhemyevich
>>= Tal, Mihail N
>>= Tal, Michail N
>>= Tal, MN
>>
>>Also, Fischer is said to have had a rating of 2780 in 1992 and as of 1999
>>But he did not play a single official tournament since 1972
>>Is Fischer's rating here a mistake or purely theoretical?
>>
>>Fischer, Robert J       #gm  USA [2790] 1943.03.09
>>%Bio World champion, 1972-1975.
>>%Elo 1971:2740,2760 1972:2785 1992:2785 1997:2780 1999:2780,2780
>>%Elo 2000:2780,2780 2001:2780,2780,2780,2780 2002:2780,2780,2780,2780
>>%Elo 2003:2780
>>= Fischer, Robert James
>>= Fischer, RJ
>
>Apparantly Fischer still has membership ID # in FIDE and his rating istill 2780
>although he may be considered inactive.
>
>http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=2000016
>
>Tal lived as he played - on the edge and taking risks.  His hard, fast living
>(mostly smoking and alcohol) wore down his body and he enjoyed less than robust
>health after his mid 20's.  He suffered his fist heat attack before he was 30
>and he had a kidney removed at the age of 32. IMO, His best games were played

it looks like I for got to buy some "r's".

He suffered his first heart attack before he was 30.


>and he had a kidney removed at the age of 32.


>before 1962 while he was under the age of 25.
>
>
>There is no doubt IMO, that if Tal had better health and took care of his body a
>little more (no smoking and drinking) - he perhaps would gone down as one of
>the top 3 players that ever played instead of one of the top 15 or so that ever
>played.  For play the under the age of 25, perhaps he had no equal.  He defeated
>WC Mikhail Botvinnik 12 ½ to 8 ½ a the age of 23.  This  was not a welcomed
>development in the USSR at the time as Botvinnik was considered a favorite son
>by the Communist party. .
>
>A final testament to his playing strength - he is one of two players (the other
>- Efim Geller) that had a plus score against Bobby Fischer with at least 10
>games played. BTW, In Curacco 1962, when he was 25 he had to withdraw due to ill
>health, the only GM to visit him in the hospital was Fischer.



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