Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 20:34:02 11/10/03
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On November 10, 2003 at 22:42:39, Russell Reagan wrote: >On November 10, 2003 at 21:29:15, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>It's not one specific move - it 's the pattern of moves - playing the exact same >>moves as a program over a fixed number of moves. In real life, that does happen >>over and over again in sequential games. It's the same method that a chess >>program clone is identified. Computers will play the same move over and over >>again in the same position. It's identifiable and repeatable- in fact every >>program gives off a "signature" in every game that can be identfied. No human >>will play 8 moves in a row in exact sequence of a program and then do that again >>in the next game. Humans, GM or not, do not play like computers in that type of >>sequencing (carbon copy 8 moves in a row non/opening/non end game - essentialy >>random positions ) and then do it again the very next game. It may happen once >>in a long while, it will not happen in back-to back games. > >That sounds good, but I have to disagree based on factual evidence. I decided to >test out your theory, because it didn't sound logical to me. I assumed a player >playing the same moves as the computer would be very common. So I downloaded a >PGN from a tournament (just the first one I could find at TWIC, >http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/ecc03.pgn), and tested a few games. Here are the >results so far. > >Analyzed with Ruffian 1.0.5 > >Game 1: P. Svidler - S. Cicak > >P. Svidler statistics >41 moves played >Different move: 17 times >Streak of 1: 7 times >Streak of 2: 6 times >Streak of 3: 5 times >Streak of 4: 4 times >Streak of 5: 2 times > >S. Cicak statistics >40 moves played >Different move: 21 times >Streak of 1: 8 times >Streak of 2: 3 times >Streak of 3: 3 times >Streak of 4: 2 times >Streak of 5: 1 time >Streak of 6: 1 time >Streak of 7: 1 time > >Game 2: K. Fahrner - S. Cicak > >K. Fahrner statistics >41 moves played >Different move: 21 times >Streak of 1: 11 times >Streak of 2: 5 times >Streak of 3: 4 times > >S. Cicak statistics >40 moves >Different move: 23 times >Streak of 1: 7 times >Streak of 2: 3 times >Streak of 3: 2 times >Streak of 4: 1 time >Streak of 5: 1 time >Streak of 6: 1 time >Streak of 7: 1 time >Streak of 8: 1 time > >These were the FIRST TWO GAMES that I tested, and in the first two games of the >same event we have the same person with a streak of 7 moves and 8 moves that the >computer would have recommended, had he been analyzing the game while playing >online. Maybe if I had tested thousands of games and only found two of the same >person, I would believe your theory, but these were the first two games I >tested. > >Either you're wrong, or something very unprobable happened ;-) The unprobable does happen :>) take his next game in the database and tell me what if you get another 8 moves. Are you excluding openings and endgame - I would liek to the see the 8 move sequence - and which program you used.
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