Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 05:17:15 11/12/98
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On November 11, 1998 at 15:38:01, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>On November 10, 1998 at 19:11:11, Amir Ban wrote:
>>Oof ...
>>
>>It really seems like you don't get the issue here, so I will explain:
>>
>>There is an issue here that is between Ed and his customers. You post on it in a
>>way and style that, if a Rebel customer had the wrong impression that you are
>>representing the vendor, would probably make him very angry.
>
>And ?
>
>>Now you are
>>entitled to your opinion, but I'm concerned here that not every reader of this
>>newsgroup understands that you are not related to Ed,
>
>?? I don't get this amir. Why do I have to explain that i am NOT related to
>rebel, and others don't have to explain that they are not related to
>xyz company ?
>Where is YOUR disclaimer for chessBase ?
>
>
>>or that people read some
>>things here without paying a lot of attention, and do not notice who wrote what,
>>or if they do notice, two weeks later they may mix things up and remember only
>>that someone, maybe Ed, yelled and snickered at them that they have to be
>>victims of his war with Chessbase.
>
>
>And ? If somebody is shallow, this is not my problem, or ?
>Put it in the charta Amir. people reading here don't have to be shallow.
>I am sure this will straighten the club. :-))
>
>>I think Ed would not like that, because he depends on his customers for a
>>living, and needs to handle them with sensitivity.
>
>Ed always handles his customers very sensitive.
>But i am not ed. I don't have customers. I am my own.
>
>> Ok, maybe I worry too much,
>>but you worry too little.
>
>No.
>
>> A clear disclaimer that you are not the vendor is
>>needed in such a post.
>
>Pah - here in germany we don't write with disclaimers. Unbelievable.
>Which country is this where you post with disclaimers ?
>
>>>Do you have a disclaimer Amir ?
>>>"I am not objective to the topic/the vendor because I am in business with them"
>>>would be the fitting disclaimer for you, wouldn't it ? :-))
>
>>This is an impertinent reply, but let's ignore this because you have a problem
>>in understanding the subject.
>
>Why is YOU asking ME for a disclaimer a polite and accurate request, and
>me asking YOU for a disclaimer an IMPERTINENT REPLY ?
>
>I don't get this, i thought 1 is 1. Now i see, 1 is different.
>Your one seems to be much better. Where can i order such a 1 ?
>
>
>>I'm not for or against anything, and the topic is irrelevant. I'm talking as the
>>moderator here and I'm worried about commercial interests (Ed's in this case).
>
>When you are talking as a moderator here, when beeing a normal member posting
>here, than you need a disclaimer or a message: i am saying this as a moderator.
>If you don't mark you words with a disclaimer or header, than you will cause
>misunderstandings.
>If you post this as a moderator (it looks you say you did) i am asking myself
>where in the charta is written that the moderator is saving commercial interests
>? I thought this is a private club for private persons.
>
>>You know, some people actually make a living through their customers and this is
>>more than talk for them.
>
>Right. Looks like you know what you post, because you are not a private too.
>
>I will not and nowhere and never post with a disclaimer.
>This is idiotic.
>
>
>>Two months ago there was a similar thing when you started telling CSTal
>>customers to go jump in a lake. I was dumbfounded and considered deleting those
>>posts on the ground that they may damage Oxford business. I didn't then, because
>
>Nobody asks you to do what you do.
>You are not authorized to do so.
>
>
>
>>(1) I know that CSTal is not a serious business, and Oxford revenues come from
>>other products (2) You are connected to Chris and I was not sure that you are
>>NOT speaking for the vendor. Of course if a vendor wants to shout at his
>>customers that's his own business.
>
>it is not important what you know or not know amir.
>
>>>I am not interested in customers. I am a customer of my own.
>>>
>>
>>I know you are not interested, but other people are.
>
>If you are interested, do it.
>
>>>i see no problem in this relation. It was YOUR idea to use N-words. Please keep
>>>this in mind for later discussions.
>
>
>>I wrote this post as a moderator. I'm not debating or exchanging opinions with
>>you here. I see a problem in your choice of images, and ask you to choose a more
>>gentle style. Please keep this in mind if you want to continue being a member
>>here.
>>
>>Amir
>
>I have not used N-words. YOU related MY posts to posting in N-words.
>I will not discuss with you amir.
>If you want to throw me out. do it. but i will NOT discuss with you in the way
>you do it.
>
>your behaviour out of range. i do not accept your style.
Looks like you really want to be thrown out Thorsten...
Too bad.
Please relax. I don't think Amir wanted to be unpleasant. There is some truth in
what he says, and he is just doing his job as a moderator.
What is happening in your tournament? I haven't seen news from you since 2 days
I think.
Christophe
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