Author: Uri Blass
Date: 02:28:25 11/12/03
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On November 12, 2003 at 04:37:05, Dan Sicerly wrote: >On November 12, 2003 at 04:27:03, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 12, 2003 at 03:56:09, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:21:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:16:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 02:11:04, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I'm reading through all these posts and watched the games, and something >>>>>>occurred to me, especially what the CEO of chessbase said, that kasparov was >>>>>>sent the versions of x3d fritz as they were created...so... >>>>>> >>>>>>If chessbase were able to clone kasparov use him, study him, poke holes in his >>>>>>game, analyse him for hundreds of hours, how well would they do? >>>>>> >>>>>>But thats a question we'll never be able to answer, but how about this , >>>>>> >>>>>>If they sent x3d version fritz with the same hardware to a large super >>>>>>grandmaster tournament, a round robin, where all the players not only had to >>>>>>prepare for the computer, but other humans, how would it fair? >>>>>> >>>>>>I think we are seriously under estimating this beast... >>>>>>just my opinion of course. >>>>>>-Derek >>>>> >>>>>This is exactly what chessbase want you to believe. >>>>> >>>>>I think that all these matches are unimportant matches and it may be better if >>>>>we ignore them. >>>>> >>>>>I do not trust the humans in these match to try to win the matches and I suspect >>>>>that they believe that draw can give them more money. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I can add that the fact that kasparov got another match after drawing with Fritz >>>>when Smirin never got another match after beating the machines increase my >>>>impression(hardware was slower against smirin but time control was also faster >>>>and the second factor is something that is supposed to help the machines so I >>>>think that smirin's result is better than kasparov's result and kramnik's >>>>result). >>>> >>>>Players may believe that it is better if they do not win because if they draw >>>>they have better chances to get another match. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Kasparov lost to IBM Deeper Blue and still has not gotten a rematch, and I >>>believe that X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper >>>Blue :-) >>> >>>Jorge >> >>Yes but I am talking about chessbase and not about IBM. >>Chessbase did not give another match to smirin. >> >>Uri > > > Something wrong with your logic, Chessbase didn't give another match to Bareev >who Drew with Hiarcs, so how did not winning help bareev?? Your making some huge >assumptions with Zero Evidence to back you up, only sopposition. The funny thing >is that you make these assumptions as if they are Facts. I stopped to trust the top humans after the draw of kramnik against Fritz when he did mistakes that even I expect myself not to do. The draw of kasparov in the last game instead of playing also increase my bad impression so I even did not look at the first game of the unimportant match between kasparov and Fritz. Uri
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