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Subject: Re: X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper Blue

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:28:25 11/12/03

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On November 12, 2003 at 04:37:05, Dan Sicerly wrote:

>On November 12, 2003 at 04:27:03, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:56:09, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:21:46, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:16:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 02:11:04, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm reading through all these posts and watched the games, and something
>>>>>>occurred to me, especially what the CEO of chessbase said, that kasparov was
>>>>>>sent the versions of x3d fritz as they were created...so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If chessbase were able to clone kasparov use him, study him, poke holes in his
>>>>>>game, analyse him for hundreds of hours, how well would they do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But thats a question we'll never be able to answer, but how about this ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If they sent x3d version fritz with the same hardware to a large super
>>>>>>grandmaster tournament, a round robin, where all the players not only had to
>>>>>>prepare for the computer, but other humans, how would it fair?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think we are seriously under estimating this beast...
>>>>>>just my opinion of course.
>>>>>>-Derek
>>>>>
>>>>>This is exactly what chessbase want you to believe.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that all these matches are unimportant matches and it may be better if
>>>>>we ignore them.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do not trust the humans in these match to try to win the matches and I suspect
>>>>>that they believe that draw can give them more money.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>I can add that the fact that kasparov got another match after drawing with Fritz
>>>>when Smirin never got another match after beating the machines increase my
>>>>impression(hardware was slower against smirin but time control was also faster
>>>>and the second factor is something that is supposed to help the machines so I
>>>>think that smirin's result is better than kasparov's result and kramnik's
>>>>result).
>>>>
>>>>Players may believe that it is better if they do not win because if they draw
>>>>they have better chances to get another match.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>Kasparov lost to IBM Deeper Blue and still has not gotten a rematch, and I
>>>believe that X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper
>>>Blue :-)
>>>
>>>Jorge
>>
>>Yes but I am talking about chessbase and not about IBM.
>>Chessbase did not give another match to smirin.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
> Something wrong with your logic, Chessbase didn't give another match to Bareev
>who Drew with Hiarcs, so how did not winning help bareev?? Your making some huge
>assumptions with Zero Evidence to back you up, only sopposition. The funny thing
>is that you make these assumptions as if they are Facts.

I stopped to trust the top humans after the draw of kramnik against Fritz
when he did mistakes that even I expect myself not to do.

The draw of kasparov in the last game instead of playing also increase my bad
impression so I even did not look at the first game of the unimportant match
between kasparov and Fritz.

Uri



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