Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: Deep Blue and the

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:24:32 11/12/98

Go up one level in this thread


On November 12, 1998 at 02:33:33, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>>He lost his temper. He was not a good loser. All true. What remains in the
>>>memory of people is a) Kasparov lost b) Deep Blue won c) Kasparov is
>>>a bad loser. So in the end he didn't do himself a favor.
>
>>>There is no damage to IBM. There is no damage to Hsu. There is only
>>>damage for Kasparov.
>
>>Ok, he lost his temper. But he not only said immediately after the
>>match, he repeated it (actually, he even enforced his statement)
>>several times *after*. When people from IBM tried to answer him
>>"We have no way to know what *exactly* happened in multi-CPU
>>environment under a real-time conditions", he answered "I don't
>>beleive you. If you'd want to do so, I'm absolutely sure you'll
>>find a way to do that". He could consult *any* specialist in a
>>concurrent programming (IMHO any CS student will be enough) before
>>doing that statement.
>
>>And that changes the situation, doesn't it?
>
>I tried to find the "Kasparov-Oxford" interview in my mailboxes but to
>no avail. As far as I remember it was on the Chessbase site. Does
>somebody have a copy? I like to have it again. Besides all Kasparov's
>allegations there was also lots of new information in the article.
>
>
>>Also, please note that he said "Money for new match should not come
>>from IBM". Who instead of IBM would arrange the match, if the only
>>real winner will be IBM?
>
>>IMHO Kasparov is scared to death... It's very hard to beat the beast
>>in his favorite tactical style, and he spends too much energy playing
>>strictly positional chess, so he'll be exhausted after several games.
>>So, current situation - IBM won, but there are a lot of opened
>>questions - is benefitical to both sides.
>
>>Please note that I personally respected Kasparov before the match...
>>I have his books at home, and he struggled - and won - against
>>communist system in the beginning of 80's.
>>
>>Eugene
>
>About respect.... I also don't like the way Kasparov behaved. I also think in
>the end besides losing the match he lost a second time because of his
>behavior in public.
>
>With respect I meant respect for the "chess player" Kasparov. He is the
>best. For that purpose IBM wanted a match against him. Not because
>of his character. IBM knew (or should have known) who they invited.
>
>The match was NOT against Kasparov but against the strongest chess
>player of that moment. That was the goal, beat the strongest chess player
>of the world. In that respect Kasparov has full right on a revanche.
>
>IBM by not giving Kasparov this opportunity lacks all rules of sportsmanship.
>If you want compete in the area of the "creme de la creme" then realize there
>is an etiquette to stick to.
>
>Kasparov said, "I want a re-match". IBM does not have given him that. The
>only thing in defence to IBM can be that Kasparov didn't really meant what
>he said for reasons he only knows.
>
>But this is unlikely. Below is the summarize of an interview Keith Ian Price
>had with Hsu. Special attention to the following points (quotes) about the
>chances of a re-match.
>
>Subject: a re-match.
>
>[ begin quote ]
>
>#1. He stated that no one on the team wanted to put that amount of effort
>    into it, since the history-making goal had already been achieved.
>
>[ end quote ]
>
>Not much chances for Kasparov I would say.
>
>
>
>[ begin quote ]
>
>#3. DB was dismantled right after the match because the SP2 processors
>    used during the match were part of an order that was shipped right after
>    the match
>
>[ end quote ]
>
>It looks like IBM never considered to possibility to offer Kasparov a revanche.
>
>


let me toss in there that this isn't any news at all.  Cray Blitz participated
in computer chess events from 1980 or so thru 1994.  *Every* machine we used
was "shipped" right after the tournament.  In many cases we used two different
machines in the *same* tournament because the first was due to ship.

DB still exists.  The processors are in boxes.  IBM still makes the SP-2...  if
the opportunity arises, it can easily play again.  So it's not "gone but not
forgotten"... it's just sitting on a shelf...  but they could play tomorrow if
they want...






This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.