Author: Dan Sicerly
Date: 08:38:39 11/12/03
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On November 12, 2003 at 05:28:25, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 12, 2003 at 04:37:05, Dan Sicerly wrote: > >>On November 12, 2003 at 04:27:03, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:56:09, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:21:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:16:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 02:11:04, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm reading through all these posts and watched the games, and something >>>>>>>occurred to me, especially what the CEO of chessbase said, that kasparov was >>>>>>>sent the versions of x3d fritz as they were created...so... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If chessbase were able to clone kasparov use him, study him, poke holes in his >>>>>>>game, analyse him for hundreds of hours, how well would they do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But thats a question we'll never be able to answer, but how about this , >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If they sent x3d version fritz with the same hardware to a large super >>>>>>>grandmaster tournament, a round robin, where all the players not only had to >>>>>>>prepare for the computer, but other humans, how would it fair? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think we are seriously under estimating this beast... >>>>>>>just my opinion of course. >>>>>>>-Derek >>>>>> >>>>>>This is exactly what chessbase want you to believe. >>>>>> >>>>>>I think that all these matches are unimportant matches and it may be better if >>>>>>we ignore them. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not trust the humans in these match to try to win the matches and I suspect >>>>>>that they believe that draw can give them more money. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>I can add that the fact that kasparov got another match after drawing with Fritz >>>>>when Smirin never got another match after beating the machines increase my >>>>>impression(hardware was slower against smirin but time control was also faster >>>>>and the second factor is something that is supposed to help the machines so I >>>>>think that smirin's result is better than kasparov's result and kramnik's >>>>>result). >>>>> >>>>>Players may believe that it is better if they do not win because if they draw >>>>>they have better chances to get another match. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>Kasparov lost to IBM Deeper Blue and still has not gotten a rematch, and I >>>>believe that X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper >>>>Blue :-) >>>> >>>>Jorge >>> >>>Yes but I am talking about chessbase and not about IBM. >>>Chessbase did not give another match to smirin. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >> Something wrong with your logic, Chessbase didn't give another match to Bareev >>who Drew with Hiarcs, so how did not winning help bareev?? Your making some huge >>assumptions with Zero Evidence to back you up, only sopposition. The funny thing >>is that you make these assumptions as if they are Facts. > >I stopped to trust the top humans after the draw of kramnik against Fritz >when he did mistakes that even I expect myself not to do. > >The draw of kasparov in the last game instead of playing also increase my bad >impression so I even did not look at the first game of the unimportant match >between kasparov and Fritz. Wow you have a very narrow and closed mind, haven't you ever been in a messy tactical position with a Computer? I know i have and i would rather take a Sure draw then to muddle in the complications. > >Uri
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