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Subject: Re: X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper Blue

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:28:18 11/12/03

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On November 12, 2003 at 11:38:39, Dan Sicerly wrote:

>On November 12, 2003 at 05:28:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 12, 2003 at 04:37:05, Dan Sicerly wrote:
>>
>>>On November 12, 2003 at 04:27:03, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:56:09, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:21:46, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:16:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 02:11:04, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm reading through all these posts and watched the games, and something
>>>>>>>>occurred to me, especially what the CEO of chessbase said, that kasparov was
>>>>>>>>sent the versions of x3d fritz as they were created...so...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If chessbase were able to clone kasparov use him, study him, poke holes in his
>>>>>>>>game, analyse him for hundreds of hours, how well would they do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But thats a question we'll never be able to answer, but how about this ,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If they sent x3d version fritz with the same hardware to a large super
>>>>>>>>grandmaster tournament, a round robin, where all the players not only had to
>>>>>>>>prepare for the computer, but other humans, how would it fair?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think we are seriously under estimating this beast...
>>>>>>>>just my opinion of course.
>>>>>>>>-Derek
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is exactly what chessbase want you to believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think that all these matches are unimportant matches and it may be better if
>>>>>>>we ignore them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I do not trust the humans in these match to try to win the matches and I suspect
>>>>>>>that they believe that draw can give them more money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can add that the fact that kasparov got another match after drawing with Fritz
>>>>>>when Smirin never got another match after beating the machines increase my
>>>>>>impression(hardware was slower against smirin but time control was also faster
>>>>>>and the second factor is something that is supposed to help the machines so I
>>>>>>think that smirin's result is better than kasparov's result and kramnik's
>>>>>>result).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Players may believe that it is better if they do not win because if they draw
>>>>>>they have better chances to get another match.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kasparov lost to IBM Deeper Blue and still has not gotten a rematch, and I
>>>>>believe that X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper
>>>>>Blue :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jorge
>>>>
>>>>Yes but I am talking about chessbase and not about IBM.
>>>>Chessbase did not give another match to smirin.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>> Something wrong with your logic, Chessbase didn't give another match to Bareev
>>>who Drew with Hiarcs, so how did not winning help bareev?? Your making some huge
>>>assumptions with Zero Evidence to back you up, only sopposition. The funny thing
>>>is that you make these assumptions as if they are Facts.
>>
>>I stopped to trust the top humans after the draw of kramnik against Fritz
>>when he did mistakes that even I expect myself not to do.
>>
>>The draw of kasparov in the last game instead of playing also increase my bad
>>impression so I even did not look at the first game of the unimportant match
>>between kasparov and Fritz.
>
>
>  Wow you have a very narrow and closed mind, haven't you ever been in a messy
>tactical position with a Computer? I know i have and i would rather take a Sure
>draw then to muddle in the complications.

Kasparov was not in a messy tactical position when he took the draw.

Uri



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