Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:28:18 11/12/03
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On November 12, 2003 at 11:38:39, Dan Sicerly wrote: >On November 12, 2003 at 05:28:25, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 12, 2003 at 04:37:05, Dan Sicerly wrote: >> >>>On November 12, 2003 at 04:27:03, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:56:09, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:21:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:16:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 02:11:04, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm reading through all these posts and watched the games, and something >>>>>>>>occurred to me, especially what the CEO of chessbase said, that kasparov was >>>>>>>>sent the versions of x3d fritz as they were created...so... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If chessbase were able to clone kasparov use him, study him, poke holes in his >>>>>>>>game, analyse him for hundreds of hours, how well would they do? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>But thats a question we'll never be able to answer, but how about this , >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If they sent x3d version fritz with the same hardware to a large super >>>>>>>>grandmaster tournament, a round robin, where all the players not only had to >>>>>>>>prepare for the computer, but other humans, how would it fair? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think we are seriously under estimating this beast... >>>>>>>>just my opinion of course. >>>>>>>>-Derek >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is exactly what chessbase want you to believe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think that all these matches are unimportant matches and it may be better if >>>>>>>we ignore them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I do not trust the humans in these match to try to win the matches and I suspect >>>>>>>that they believe that draw can give them more money. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>>I can add that the fact that kasparov got another match after drawing with Fritz >>>>>>when Smirin never got another match after beating the machines increase my >>>>>>impression(hardware was slower against smirin but time control was also faster >>>>>>and the second factor is something that is supposed to help the machines so I >>>>>>think that smirin's result is better than kasparov's result and kramnik's >>>>>>result). >>>>>> >>>>>>Players may believe that it is better if they do not win because if they draw >>>>>>they have better chances to get another match. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kasparov lost to IBM Deeper Blue and still has not gotten a rematch, and I >>>>>believe that X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper >>>>>Blue :-) >>>>> >>>>>Jorge >>>> >>>>Yes but I am talking about chessbase and not about IBM. >>>>Chessbase did not give another match to smirin. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>> Something wrong with your logic, Chessbase didn't give another match to Bareev >>>who Drew with Hiarcs, so how did not winning help bareev?? Your making some huge >>>assumptions with Zero Evidence to back you up, only sopposition. The funny thing >>>is that you make these assumptions as if they are Facts. >> >>I stopped to trust the top humans after the draw of kramnik against Fritz >>when he did mistakes that even I expect myself not to do. >> >>The draw of kasparov in the last game instead of playing also increase my bad >>impression so I even did not look at the first game of the unimportant match >>between kasparov and Fritz. > > > Wow you have a very narrow and closed mind, haven't you ever been in a messy >tactical position with a Computer? I know i have and i would rather take a Sure >draw then to muddle in the complications. Kasparov was not in a messy tactical position when he took the draw. Uri
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