Author: George Tsavdaris
Date: 13:02:03 11/12/03
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On November 12, 2003 at 13:24:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 12, 2003 at 03:56:09, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On November 12, 2003 at 03:21:46, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:16:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 12, 2003 at 02:11:04, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>> >>>>>I'm reading through all these posts and watched the games, and something >>>>>occurred to me, especially what the CEO of chessbase said, that kasparov was >>>>>sent the versions of x3d fritz as they were created...so... >>>>> >>>>>If chessbase were able to clone kasparov use him, study him, poke holes in his >>>>>game, analyse him for hundreds of hours, how well would they do? >>>>> >>>>>But thats a question we'll never be able to answer, but how about this , >>>>> >>>>>If they sent x3d version fritz with the same hardware to a large super >>>>>grandmaster tournament, a round robin, where all the players not only had to >>>>>prepare for the computer, but other humans, how would it fair? >>>>> >>>>>I think we are seriously under estimating this beast... >>>>>just my opinion of course. >>>>>-Derek >>>> >>>>This is exactly what chessbase want you to believe. >>>> >>>>I think that all these matches are unimportant matches and it may be better if >>>>we ignore them. >>>> >>>>I do not trust the humans in these match to try to win the matches and I suspect >>>>that they believe that draw can give them more money. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>I can add that the fact that kasparov got another match after drawing with Fritz >>>when Smirin never got another match after beating the machines increase my >>>impression(hardware was slower against smirin but time control was also faster >>>and the second factor is something that is supposed to help the machines so I >>>think that smirin's result is better than kasparov's result and kramnik's >>>result). >>> >>>Players may believe that it is better if they do not win because if they draw >>>they have better chances to get another match. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>Kasparov lost to IBM Deeper Blue and still has not gotten a rematch, and I >>believe that X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper >>Blue :-) >> >>Jorge > >Why don't you knock off the wild speculation, and just watch. If fritz >wins, it might be as good as, or better than deep blue. If it loses, it >isn't. Even if Fritz lose, it doesn't mean it isn't better from Deeper Blue. The result of this match doesn't say absolutely anything about which program (Fritz/D_Blue) is stronger. >Rather than speculating, we will _know_ next week.
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