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Subject: Re: Kasparov,G vs X3D Fritz (1) draw (PGN)

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 13:17:39 11/12/03

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On November 12, 2003 at 15:08:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 11, 2003 at 16:48:47, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On November 11, 2003 at 16:35:14, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>
>>>On November 11, 2003 at 16:31:36, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>At last a game that a computer didn't lose the initiative and hasn't been
>>>outplayed by a super GM. (That's my view)
>>
>>This is completely wrong. Of course white had the initiative in this game.
>>
>>John Fedorowicz on chess.fm was right.
>>This was just another disappointing game for(from) Kasparov.
>>
>>Michael
>
>
>Do you think white was ever winning?

I think so. It is almost impossible to win over the board against a computer
however.
I think it is +- in a correspondence game between Ulf Andersson and
Jan Timmerman for example.

Or just that he had a positional
>edge that didn't translate into a win?  I never saw anything convincing
>yesterday, myself, from computers or GMs making suggestions.  Maybe the
>c6 stuff should have been avoided by white, as it won an exchange, lost a
>pawn, and really reduced the problems black had prior to that happening?

Chessmaster reached this position against Fritz 8 in 3h/40, AMD 1.6 Ghz in a
game with 25.Kb1.

[D] 4q1k1/5ppp/2p5/3b4/3Qp1P1/P3P2P/P7/K6R b - - 0 45

All engines think it is +1.5 or better but Fritz 8 thinks it is draw (+0.00).

[Event "ATHLONXP, 180'/40+60'/20+30'"]
[Site "ATHLONXP"]
[Date "2003.11.12"]
[Round "1"]
[White "The King 3.23 SKR"]
[Black "Fritz 8"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "D45"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2003.??.??"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 c6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 Bb4 8. Bd2
Qe7 9. Rg1 Bxc3 10. Bxc3 Ne4 11. O-O-O Qf6 12. Be2 Nxf2 13. Rdf1 Ne4 14. Bb4 c5
15. cxd5 exd5 16. dxc5 Qe7 17. Nd4 O-O 18. Nf5 Qe5 19. c6 bxc6 20. Bxf8 Kxf8
21. Ng3 Ndc5 22. Nxe4 Nxe4 23. Bd3 Be6 24. Bxe4 dxe4 25. Kb1 Rb8 {0.00/15 530}
26. Rc1 {1.11/13 461} Kg8 {0.22/15 612} 27. h3 {(h4) 1.13/13 867} Bd5 {
0.10/15 727} 28. Rg2 {(Rgd1) 1.14/13 438} a6 {(Rb5) 0.10/16 609} 29. Qc5 {
1.23/13 471} Qe6 {(Qf6) 0.00/16 504} 30. Qa3 {1.26/14 501} Qh6 {
(Ra8) 0.00/17 688} 31. Rh2 {(Rh1) 1.24/14 491} Qg5 {(Ra8) 0.00/17 748} 32. Ka1
{(Qd6) 1.19/13 454} a5 {(Ra8) 0.00/16 524} 33. Rd2 {(Rhh1) 1.28/13 642} Qh6 {
(Rf8) 0.00/17 793} 34. Qc3 {(Rh1) 1.31/13 310} Qg5 {0.19/16 689} 35. Rf2 {
1.29/13 455} Qh4 {(Rb5) 0.10/16 932} 36. Qe5 {1.25/14 378} Rf8 {0.19/16 543}
37. Rh2 {1.33/14 430} a4 {(Qh6) 0.07/17 1348} 38. Qc7 {(Qf4) 1.23/13 531} Qf6 {
(a3) 0.03/16 802} 39. Qa7 {1.41/14 557} Qe5 {0.10/16 680} 40. Rhh1 {
(Rg2) 1.39/14 371} Rb8 {-0.06/13 20} 41. Rc2 {1.40/13 184} Qe8 {
(h6) 0.07/15 192} 42. Rc3 {(Rhc1) 1.51/13 182} Ra8 {(Qf8) 0.00/15 204} 43. Qd4
{(Qc7) 1.59/14 197} a3 {0.00/15 158} 44. Rxa3 {(b3) 1.60/14 184} Rxa3 {
0.00/16 224} 45. bxa3 {1.47/13 40} *




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