Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:51:48 11/12/03
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On November 12, 2003 at 16:02:03, George Tsavdaris wrote: >On November 12, 2003 at 13:24:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 12, 2003 at 03:56:09, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:21:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 12, 2003 at 03:16:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 12, 2003 at 02:11:04, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I'm reading through all these posts and watched the games, and something >>>>>>occurred to me, especially what the CEO of chessbase said, that kasparov was >>>>>>sent the versions of x3d fritz as they were created...so... >>>>>> >>>>>>If chessbase were able to clone kasparov use him, study him, poke holes in his >>>>>>game, analyse him for hundreds of hours, how well would they do? >>>>>> >>>>>>But thats a question we'll never be able to answer, but how about this , >>>>>> >>>>>>If they sent x3d version fritz with the same hardware to a large super >>>>>>grandmaster tournament, a round robin, where all the players not only had to >>>>>>prepare for the computer, but other humans, how would it fair? >>>>>> >>>>>>I think we are seriously under estimating this beast... >>>>>>just my opinion of course. >>>>>>-Derek >>>>> >>>>>This is exactly what chessbase want you to believe. >>>>> >>>>>I think that all these matches are unimportant matches and it may be better if >>>>>we ignore them. >>>>> >>>>>I do not trust the humans in these match to try to win the matches and I suspect >>>>>that they believe that draw can give them more money. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I can add that the fact that kasparov got another match after drawing with Fritz >>>>when Smirin never got another match after beating the machines increase my >>>>impression(hardware was slower against smirin but time control was also faster >>>>and the second factor is something that is supposed to help the machines so I >>>>think that smirin's result is better than kasparov's result and kramnik's >>>>result). >>>> >>>>Players may believe that it is better if they do not win because if they draw >>>>they have better chances to get another match. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Kasparov lost to IBM Deeper Blue and still has not gotten a rematch, and I >>>believe that X3D Fritz with the inferior hardware is much better than Deeper >>>Blue :-) >>> >>>Jorge >> >>Why don't you knock off the wild speculation, and just watch. If fritz >>wins, it might be as good as, or better than deep blue. If it loses, it >>isn't. > >Even if Fritz lose, it doesn't mean it isn't better from Deeper Blue. >The result of this match doesn't say absolutely anything about which >program (Fritz/D_Blue) is stronger. It does say something. IF DF wins, then it is reasonable to say it is as good as DB. If it loses, it is not reasonable to say that. NO, the confidence in any statement is not very high, but if DF loses, I would be much more confident saying "it is worse than DB" than I would in saying "it is as good or better". > >>Rather than speculating, we will _know_ next week.
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