Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 00:08:07 11/14/03
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On November 13, 2003 at 17:37:12, Ed Schröder wrote: >On November 13, 2003 at 06:44:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On November 13, 2003 at 04:02:43, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Hi Ed, >> >>you can give power! >>You are an interesting discuss partner, like that. Hi Ed, FQ: now all in one :-) ES: Often when there is a -/- situation there is a +/+ solution. FQ: The end justifies the means but the worst is yet to come :-) With other words: I agree with you. ES: Flawless winboard compatibility with *all* interfaces is impossible because of all the extra informations Rebel sends to the GUI to handle which informations eventually appears in the ChessPartner "engine window" with its 10 tabs. It is there where other interfaces fail to handle these winboard extensions. So why not make Arena Rebel (engine-window) compatible? It is a nice feature don't you think? I am sure many Arena programmers (and users) would love to have such informations on their screen. FQ: I am not a programmer Ed. I understand that it's not easy to create after all the years of Rebel development included with all the additional possibilities of Rebel a 100% WB compatible engine for all available chess GUIs. The time of development is long but I understand it. I will never have in the year 2003 an incompatibilty between GUIs and Engines! The GUI is "only" the fluke / rotary tool of engines. You are honest if you give a WB engine for your customers. This is the right way and I must thinking on all the discuss about commercial point of views. Not the user, the commercial firms made users the live to hard. Look, how many fun have the ChessBase users with UCI engines :-) But ChessBase have is own pork sausage with his own engine protocol. I can after all this years ChessBase and good work understand it but users like compatibilities. This is fact ... I have to many years played with WinBoard and in the latest two years with Arena. More or less I "form a habit". The same for databases, work some years with ChessBase 7.0 buy ChessBase 8.0 and after the CB8 installation I made a deinstall and a new ChessBase 7.0 install. This is my reason that I don't play with Chess Partner GUI or Chessmaster GUI, other GUIs. I buy ChessBase engines as analyze tool for "my" ChessBase 7.0 or to test own developments from our team members under Fritz. ES: Second point, if wb2uci can handle these winboard-extensions why shouldn't Arena? FQ: We have a clear WB1 and WB2 protocol. For extensions we need a WB3 protocol. The WB2UCI programmer in combination with 2-3 engine programmers, and GUI programmers can create in a group the WB3 protocol with Tim Mann (if Tim have time). This solved future problems with possible incompatibilitys! My opinion ... ES: So the ball is in your court now :) Can you live with that? :) FQ: We are in tie-break situation! But I must clearly indicate that you are "for me" on the right way. In this case you are welcome ... and I love the Lokasoft software (I buy Deep Sjeng, Rebel and you give me Gandalf 5 ... my biggest baby ... after all this what I made for Steen in the past). Now the second try with an own company. I hope I have more luck with a guy which I don't know what he make (Gambit-Soft). Very disappointed about Gambit-Soft, I gave my energy to create an interesting software and then this. Best Frank
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