Author: Uri Blass
Date: 03:31:21 11/14/03
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On November 13, 2003 at 21:31:33, Amir Ban wrote:
>On November 13, 2003 at 16:57:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>
>>On November 13, 2003 at 16:54:11, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>[Event "Man vs Machine"]
>>>[Site "New York"]
>>>[Date "2003.11.13"]
>>>[Round "2"]
>>>[White "Fritz X3D"]
>>>[Black "Kasparov, Garry"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "C66"]
>>>[PlyCount "77"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 d6 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Re1
>>>Re8 9. d4 {White last book move} 9... Bd7 10. d5 Ne7 11. Bxd7 Nxd7 12. a4 h6
>>>13. a5 a6 14. b4 f5 15. c4 Nf6 16. Bb2 Qd7 17. Rb1 g5 18. exf5 Qxf5 19. Nf1 Qh7
>>>20. N3d2 Nf5 21. Ne4 Nxe4 22. Rxe4 h5 23. Qd3 Rf8 24. Rbe1 Rf7 25. R1e2 g4 26.
>>>Qb3 Raf8 27. c5 Qg6 28. cxd6 cxd6 29. b5 axb5 30. Qxb5 Bh6 31. Qb6 Kh7 32. Qb4
>>>Rg7 33. Rxe5 dxe5 34. Qxf8 Nd4 35. Bxd4 exd4 36. Re8 Rg8 37. Qe7+ Rg7 38. Qd8
>>>Rg8 39. Qd7+ 1-0
>>
>>Another reason why Kasparov should have closed the game with 17...f4, reducing
>>the chances of such blunders. One thing Kasparov needs to learn is that against
>>computers you play differently. Illia Smirin's games at KasparovChess are
>>excellent examples of the correct anti-computer strategy.
>
>But grandmasters never make such mistakes. Even masters don't.
>
>If they fell for elementary tactics once per even 100 games, they would fall for
>more complex tactics twice per game. They don't.
1)A player can fall into elementary tactics once per 100 games without falling
to complex tactics more than once per 50 games.
I do not see how you get your conclusion
2)The question is not only how many plies is the tactics.
It may be the question for computer but not for humans.
The point in this case was that white threated nothing before the mistake of
kasparov and the rook at f8 was defended twice so other moves also did not allow
Fritz to use the same tactics.
>
>Playing a computer is not relevant. Junior played about 100 games against >2000
>players and nothing like this happened.
The question is in how many games there was an opportunity for a similiar trap
when one or two ply mistake is a natural move and the reply is not something
that Junior threats before the mistake but a capture that is a bad capture
against other moves.
>
>First Kramnik, now this. Totally weird.
>
>Amir
I found the case of Kramnik weird.
The case of kasparov is also a mistake that I expect GM's to avoid
but the probability for this type of mistake seems to me higher.
Uri
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