Author: martin fierz
Date: 08:23:44 11/14/03
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On November 14, 2003 at 11:01:42, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >On November 14, 2003 at 10:34:52, martin fierz wrote: > >>On November 14, 2003 at 08:28:42, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >> >>>On November 14, 2003 at 05:08:17, martin fierz wrote: >>> >>>>On November 14, 2003 at 04:31:21, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 14, 2003 at 02:20:35, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>If the 3D glasses are bothering him that much, all he has to do is close his >>>>>>eyes and play blindfold. If he wants, every once in awhile he can take a peak as >>>>>>needed. It's not that big a deal for a player at his level to play blindfold. >>>>>> >>>>>>I see no reason to be making excuses for GK. He managed his time poorly and paid >>>>>>the just price. >>>>>> >>>>>>Next game! >>>>> >>>>>I agree deeply with you, since the board is also clearly visualized internally >>>>>at those mastery levels, so the 3d external representation is quite unimportant. >>>>> >>>>>w.b.r. >>>>>Otello >>>> >>>>just look at those amber blindfold/rapid tournaments, compare the level in >>>>blindfold and non-blindfold chess and then reconsider your statement... >>>> >>>>cheers >>>> martin >>> >>>What I meant is that a major part of the chess game is alwas played "blindfold" >>>by grandmasters, so the real pieces and chessboard is a mere mnemonic auxilium >>>at those levels of mastery. >>> >>>w.b.r. >>>Otello >> >>if that is so, then why do they play so much better with the board? your theory >>isn't too convincing... >> >>cheers >> martin > >It true that playing blindfold is something of a handicap even for a very good >player. On the other hand, for GK in this match, it wouldn't really be >blindfold. He can "peek" when he wishes to. If the glasses give him a headache, >he could keep his eyes closed say 50% of the time. > >I can't do it, but two buddies of mine can blitz blindfolded. No set, no board, >just a clock sitting between them. It doesn't make too much of a difference to >them. IIRC, I think I've even seen them play bullet. In any case, the skill of >playing blindfolded varies from person to person. For some, it's almost like no >difference. playing blindfold is definitely a difference on average even for top grandmasters, as you can see by looking at the games of the amber tournament. and by reading interviews with those grandmasters that play there. yes, kasparov can peek. i wasn't arguing about that. i objected to the original statement made in this thread, by you, that playing blindfold makes little difference at that level. this is simply not true, and the tale of your buddies may or may not be true - i'd bet that if you checked you would find that their blindfold games are much worse than their normal games! perhaps they both make lots of mistakes they both don't notice, or perhaps they claim to be good to impress other people. or perhaps they are really exceptionally gifted blindfold players. i do agree that there are people who can play blindfold surprisingly well compared to the average person. it's a skill you can practise of course. IMO the whole X3D setup is a huge handicap for kasparov. then again, it was his decision to play under these circumstances. it was most probably also his decision not to practice with the X3D setup under real tournament conditions, i.e. a 4-hour game, or better 2, to adjust to this. this is just asking for trouble, and that's exactly what he's got now... my prediction for this match was that kasparov would lose, and that he would complain about the X3D glasses afterwards. part 1 of my prediction is looking good and i'm pretty certain that you will see part 2 come true too :-) cheers martin
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