Author: Uri Blass
Date: 06:04:03 11/16/03
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On November 16, 2003 at 06:08:59, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>On November 16, 2003 at 05:34:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 16, 2003 at 04:47:15, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>On November 15, 2003 at 19:29:52, Ziad Haddad wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>>If u see the chessbase homepage, u will see that in the last informator of
>>>>chess, Karpov used a computer chess game between CT15-Shredder7 to comment his
>>>>game. In fact Shredder has found a theoretical novelty.
>>>
>>>No, this is wrong the novelty was developped by our team, not by the program...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Talking about Junior, i must say that this program surprises me each time he
>>>>plays, but he alternates the best and the worst. To tell do not use Junior to
>>>>analyse Openings, i don't fully agree with this statement. Better say don't use
>>>>it to analyse positional openings, but it's a suitable engine to analyse opened
>>>>and tactical positions issued from the openings.
>>>
>>>You cannot expect computers to find novelties, at least in the early stage of
>>>the game, these must come from human people that works on the book.
>
>Hi Uri,
>
>>
>>Why not?
>
>Because they cannot see deeply enough.
>In middle game it would be different. Also theory has developed making many
>games and thanks to correspondance chess also in many variations?
>
>
>>If the engine is strong enough it should be able to find novelties.
>
>Ok, I would agree on this when the strenght of the programs would be at least
>500 points higher than they are today.
>
>>Part of the new moves may be wrong but part of them should be better moves.
>
>Well, normally a novelty is worth if a set of correct following moves is
>considered as well. If some are not good, than it would not work...or not?
I say that part of the new moves that they suggest may be good.
Here is an example for a novelty that I played in a correspondence game at move
13(preliminary XV olympiad Canada-Israel).
Shredder7.ctg has only 13...Bb4 with ? and I could find no games with 13...Ne8
As far as I remember 13...Ne8 was suggested by at least one of my chess programs
after a long search and it is possible that it was also suggested after a short
time but I do not remember at this moment.
The game is still not finished but
My opponent blundered later at move 29(Fritz can play the same blunder after
some minutes of search but not after more than it) and now I have a clear
advantage(I will give the full game only after it is finished).
I am not sure if Ne8 is the best move and I do not claim to know the best move(I
did not solve chess) but I have no reason to believe that it is worse than the
theoretical move.
[Event "correspondence"]
[Site "Tel-Aviv"]
[Date "2003.01.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Artur"]
[Black "Uri"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "E07"]
[Annotator "Blass,Uri"]
[PlyCount "74"]
[TimeControl "40/2400:0/0:0/0"]
{64MB, Shredder7.ctg, URI-PC
} 1. c4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 2.
Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 3. Nc3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} d5 4. d4 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 5. g3 O-O 6. Bg2 dxc4 7. O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nbd7 8. e4 a6
9. a4 Rb8 10. a5 b5 11. axb6 Nxb6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 12. Qe2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bb7
{[%emt 0:00:04]} 13. Rd1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Ne8
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