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Subject: Re: why is open file code such a big deal for programmers?

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 07:19:10 11/17/03

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On November 17, 2003 at 09:46:11, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 17, 2003 at 09:24:40, Torstein Hall wrote:
>
>>On November 17, 2003 at 08:48:30, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On November 17, 2003 at 07:40:46, martin fierz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 17, 2003 at 04:51:55, Daniel Clausen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 17, 2003 at 04:20:42, martin fierz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>>the real question should be: why do programs like fritz play these closed
>>>>>>positions worse than any 2000 player? fritz' programmers surely know about
>>>>>>those weaknesses, why have they never been addressed? with a whole team of
>>>>>>professionals working on it...
>>>>>
>>>>>Because it won't give you anything for the SSDF rating list?
>>>>>
>>>>>It probably takes much more work than just a few if-statements here and there,
>>>>>so if you're not committed to playing against humans, it probably won't happen
>>>>>that fast.
>>>>
>>>>it probably also takes much more than just a few if-statements here and there
>>>>for fritz to be the engine it is now :-)
>>>>and since frans morsch has claimed to have been optimizing against human play
>>>>over the last year (lame excuse for no progress or something else?), he should
>>>>definitely have addressed this issue.
>>>
>>>It is obviously a lame excuse as the last game proved.
>>>I guess that Fritz did not get better because the programmer is tired of working
>>>about it.
>>>
>>>It happened to Richard Lang and now it seems to happen to Frans morsch.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Do you know any chess program that has solved the problems of long term planning
>>in closed position?
>>
>>Torstein
>
>Long term planning is irrelevant for this discussion because bad static
>evaluation was the main problem of Fritz.
>
>Kasparov had a protected passed pawn for no compensation and for some reason
>Fritz evaluated the position as equal.
>
>Uri

To me it was quite obvious that Fritz needed to start an attack on the other
wing. I belive this needed long term planning to see the necessity of this.

Torstein



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