Author: Torstein Hall
Date: 07:19:10 11/17/03
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On November 17, 2003 at 09:46:11, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 17, 2003 at 09:24:40, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>On November 17, 2003 at 08:48:30, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 17, 2003 at 07:40:46, martin fierz wrote: >>> >>>>On November 17, 2003 at 04:51:55, Daniel Clausen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 17, 2003 at 04:20:42, martin fierz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>[snip] >>>>> >>>>>>the real question should be: why do programs like fritz play these closed >>>>>>positions worse than any 2000 player? fritz' programmers surely know about >>>>>>those weaknesses, why have they never been addressed? with a whole team of >>>>>>professionals working on it... >>>>> >>>>>Because it won't give you anything for the SSDF rating list? >>>>> >>>>>It probably takes much more work than just a few if-statements here and there, >>>>>so if you're not committed to playing against humans, it probably won't happen >>>>>that fast. >>>> >>>>it probably also takes much more than just a few if-statements here and there >>>>for fritz to be the engine it is now :-) >>>>and since frans morsch has claimed to have been optimizing against human play >>>>over the last year (lame excuse for no progress or something else?), he should >>>>definitely have addressed this issue. >>> >>>It is obviously a lame excuse as the last game proved. >>>I guess that Fritz did not get better because the programmer is tired of working >>>about it. >>> >>>It happened to Richard Lang and now it seems to happen to Frans morsch. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Do you know any chess program that has solved the problems of long term planning >>in closed position? >> >>Torstein > >Long term planning is irrelevant for this discussion because bad static >evaluation was the main problem of Fritz. > >Kasparov had a protected passed pawn for no compensation and for some reason >Fritz evaluated the position as equal. > >Uri To me it was quite obvious that Fritz needed to start an attack on the other wing. I belive this needed long term planning to see the necessity of this. Torstein
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