Author: Uri Blass
Date: 07:49:28 11/17/03
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On November 17, 2003 at 10:19:10, Torstein Hall wrote: >On November 17, 2003 at 09:46:11, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 17, 2003 at 09:24:40, Torstein Hall wrote: >> >>>On November 17, 2003 at 08:48:30, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 17, 2003 at 07:40:46, martin fierz wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 17, 2003 at 04:51:55, Daniel Clausen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 17, 2003 at 04:20:42, martin fierz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>[snip] >>>>>> >>>>>>>the real question should be: why do programs like fritz play these closed >>>>>>>positions worse than any 2000 player? fritz' programmers surely know about >>>>>>>those weaknesses, why have they never been addressed? with a whole team of >>>>>>>professionals working on it... >>>>>> >>>>>>Because it won't give you anything for the SSDF rating list? >>>>>> >>>>>>It probably takes much more work than just a few if-statements here and there, >>>>>>so if you're not committed to playing against humans, it probably won't happen >>>>>>that fast. >>>>> >>>>>it probably also takes much more than just a few if-statements here and there >>>>>for fritz to be the engine it is now :-) >>>>>and since frans morsch has claimed to have been optimizing against human play >>>>>over the last year (lame excuse for no progress or something else?), he should >>>>>definitely have addressed this issue. >>>> >>>>It is obviously a lame excuse as the last game proved. >>>>I guess that Fritz did not get better because the programmer is tired of working >>>>about it. >>>> >>>>It happened to Richard Lang and now it seems to happen to Frans morsch. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Do you know any chess program that has solved the problems of long term planning >>>in closed position? >>> >>>Torstein >> >>Long term planning is irrelevant for this discussion because bad static >>evaluation was the main problem of Fritz. >> >>Kasparov had a protected passed pawn for no compensation and for some reason >>Fritz evaluated the position as equal. >> >>Uri > >To me it was quite obvious that Fritz needed to start an attack on the other >wing. I belive this needed long term planning to see the necessity of this. > >Torstein I believe that better evaluation is enough for that. Uri
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