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Subject: YOU´RE RIGHT, DB STILL IS KING

Author: Carlos Lantigua

Date: 20:45:58 11/17/03

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On November 17, 2003 at 21:17:37, Kevin Heider wrote:

>After watching Fritz not play either f5 or h5 in game 3, I have to say that
>Deeper Blue (DB2) was the best chess computer EVER.  Even with a better
>evaluation algorithm; Fritz at 4m nods/sec can NOT be as strong as DB2 at 200m
>nods/sec.
>
>DB2 simply knew when it had to start mixing it up.
>
>I took the position from Move 37 of Game #2 of Deeper Blue vs Kasparov.  This is
>the position where Gary claimed that someone (Karpov?) was feeding DB some of
>it's moves.  Gary could not believe it when DB played Be4! blocking the black
>e-pawn from advancing.
>
>I had Rebel XP start an infinite search on my DURON 1100MHZ and it took almost
>20 hours to find 37 Be4! (The move Gary claims a computer would never come up
>with)
>
>Granted different programs do different searches/evaluations, but if Be4 is as
>positionally strong as Gary claims then a lot of programs should like it after a
>very deep search.
>
>If I assume:
>
>1. Rebel / Fritz / Junior / Shredder are of roughly equal strength
>
>2. DB took 10 minutes to find Be4
>
>then I can conclude that X3D Fritz needs a better function or needs to run
>(20hr*60m/10m) 120x faster to play at DB2 strength.
>
>Since I only own Rebel: Has anyone recently checked this famous position to see
>if Fritz, Junior, or Shredder like the position after a deep think?
>
>Rebel XP's lines:
>01:58:56  19.00  Qb6 Rxa2 Rxa2
>08:14:57  20.00  Qb6 Rxa2
>19:26:24  20.05  Be4 Rcb8
>32:42:43  21.00  Be4 Rcb8 Ra6 Qc8 Qa2
>
>You will also notice on the right side of my screen grab that Rebel's 4th
>favorite variation shows that if 37. Ra6 e4!  Qe3
>
>You can see a screen grab of the analysis at:
>http://home.comcast.net/~kpheider/DB2BE4.GIF
>
>-- Kevin Heider

GK-DB 97. That is what i call the last real and serious man vs machine match.



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