Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:34:36 11/18/03
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On November 17, 2003 at 20:50:05, Terry McCracken wrote: >On November 17, 2003 at 17:49:37, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On November 16, 2003 at 13:47:41, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On November 16, 2003 at 09:43:56, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On November 16, 2003 at 05:15:43, Amir Ban wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 15, 2003 at 23:39:04, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 15, 2003 at 20:10:28, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 15, 2003 at 02:37:44, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://www.worldchessrating.com/534332864.html?150441334582865 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://www.worldchessrating.com/534418102.html?0973762115463614 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Shipov's comments about how computers play chess are an insult to intelligence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Amir >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't think anyone is looking for an in depth review, it's for the general >>>>>>public, not GM's or Computer Chess Programmers. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I didn't mean that he's keeping it simple. I mean he doesn't have a clue. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Indirectly, you're also insulting me for posting these links. >>>>>>Or am I mistaken? >>>>> >>>>>??? It's you who posted them. >>>>> >>>>>Amir >>>> >>>>Why the question marks? My question was simple enough. Of course I posted them. >>>>I'll be more direct. Are you saying I'm without a clue as well? It would appear >>>>so. >>>> >>>>Terry >>> >>> >>>Here is Shipov's Introduction: >>> >>>'X3D Fritz – G.Kasparov [C66] >>>This game illustrates the difference between human and machine. Human can reason >>>strategically, carry out various plans, and play positionally. As for the >>>machine's virtues, it calculates variations with precision and never blunders >>>(in contrast to humans).' >>> >>>Ok, this isn't accurate, just a generalization, and I wouldn't put a lot of >>>stock in it. >>> >>>We both know better, and I bet if Shipov were pressed, I'm sure he does too. >>> >>>Terry >> >>I hope this is not offensive to you: Shipov's comments to moves 24 and 31 are >>clueless. He's convinced that chess programs are primitive jobs done by morons >>who manage to come up with one or two simple heuristics and then sit around for >>years, out of ideas. >> >>Amir > >I just read it more carefully, you're correct, Shipov is either clueless, or he >holds computers in great contempt! I suspect the latter. > >Terry I think the former, myself. Just listen to comments on various chess servers for today's games. The GM players are beginning to claim that they are "computer experts" yet it is painfully obvious (to me anyway) that for the most part, they have no idea how a computer actually plays chess. But it seems to be "in vogue" to have an understanding of computer chess, and many can claim it and not be discovered.
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