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Subject: who does not understand the position(the human or the computer)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:16:14 11/19/03

Here is a position from my last tournament game


[D]r4rk1/1ppq1pbp/3p1np1/p2Pp3/2P5/1PNP2Pb/PB3PBP/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 15

Please give your evaluation of the position without chess programs and give the
move that you like before you read the rest of the post that is some lines
behind this line.










I evaluated the position as better for black
I assumed in that game that I need the white bishop so I played Bh1

It was not a move that I thought much about it because based on previous
experience I know that it is bad to trade the bishop at g2 and I used more time
for other moves.

I decided to give the position to Fritz and Fritz evaluates it as equal and
likes d4

Shredder even prefers the position of white.

Is this an example for the superiority of computers relative to humans in
understanding positions.


[D]r4rk1/1ppq1pbp/3p1np1/p2Pp3/2P5/1PNP2Pb/PB3PBP/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

15.d4!
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  115kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rfe8 17.dxe5 dxe5 18.Ne4 Nxe4 19.Rxe4 Qf5
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  176kN
15.Bf3!
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  188kN
15.Bf3 Rfe8 16.Qe2 h6 17.Ne4 Nxe4 18.Qxe4 Qf5
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  219kN
15.Bf3 Rfe8 16.Qe2 h6 17.Ne4 Nxe4 18.dxe4 a4 19.b4
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  312kN
15.Qf3!
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  345kN
15.Qf3 h6 16.a3 Rfe8 17.Bxh3 Qxh3 18.Ne4 Nxe4 19.dxe4 a4
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  410kN
15.Qf3 h6 16.Bc1 Bxg2 17.Qxg2 Ng4 18.f3 e4 19.fxg4 Bxc3 20.Bxh6
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 9/36   00:00:02  927kN
15.d4!
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 9/36   00:00:04  1435kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rfe8 17.Qf3 h6 18.dxe5 dxe5 19.Ne4 Nxe4 20.Qxe4 f5 21.Qe3
  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:08  3284kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rfe8 17.Qf3 h6 18.dxe5 dxe5 19.h3 Rad8 20.Ne4 Nxe4 21.Qxe4 c6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/37   00:00:19  7819kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rfe8 17.dxe5 Rxe5 18.Rxe5 dxe5 19.Qf3 Re8 20.Re1 h6 21.Ne4
Nxe4 22.Qxe4 c6
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 12/33   00:00:36  14728kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rfe8 17.dxe5 Rxe5 18.Rxe5 dxe5 19.Qf3 Re8 20.Re1 h6 21.Ne4
Nxe4 22.Qxe4
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 13/36   00:01:33  39735kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rfe8 17.dxe5 Rxe5 18.Rxe5 dxe5 19.Qf3 Re8 20.Re1 h6 21.h3 c6
22.dxc6
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 14/41   00:04:45  121046kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 19.11.2003)


New game - Junior 7
r4rk1/1ppq1pbp/3p1np1/p2Pp3/2P5/1PNP2Pb/PB3PBP/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 7.04:

15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Qxg2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Qxg2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Qxg2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Qxg2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Qxg2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Qxg2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Qxg2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 c6
  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bg4 16.Qe3 Qf5
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
15.Qf3 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rac8 17.h3 c6
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:00
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Qf5 17.dxe5 Qh3+ 18.Kxh3
  =  (0.02)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:00
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rae8 17.dxe5 Rxe5 18.Kg1
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 exd4 17.Qxd4 Rae8 18.Ne4 Re5
  =  (0.17)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  27kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rae8 17.dxe5 Rxe5 18.Rxe5 dxe5 19.f3 c6 20.dxc6 Qxc6
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  67kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 exd4 17.Qxd4 Ng4 18.Qf4 Be5 19.Qf3 Rae8
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:01  192kN
15.d4 exd4 16.Qxd4 Ng4 17.Qf4 Bxg2 18.Kxg2 Be5 19.Qf3 Bd4 20.Qf4 Bxf2
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 9/21   00:00:03  448kN
15.d4 exd4 16.Qxd4 Ng4 17.Qd2 Bxg2 18.Kxg2 Rfe8 19.h3 Bxc3 20.Bxc3 Ne5 21.Bxe5
Qxh3+ 22.Kxh3
  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:07  982kN
15.d4 exd4 16.Qxd4 Ng4 17.Qd2 Bxg2 18.Kxg2 Qf5 19.h3 Ne5 20.f4 Nd3 21.Re7 Nxb2
22.Qxb2
  ²  (0.38)   Depth: 11/31   00:00:16  2399kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rae8 17.dxe5 Rxe5 18.Rxe5 dxe5 19.Qf3 Ne8 20.Ne4 f5 21.Nc5 e4
22.Qe2 Qc8 23.Ne6
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 12/34   00:00:53  7722kN
15.d4 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Rfe8 17.dxe5 Rxe5 18.Rxe5 dxe5 19.Qf3 Nh5 20.Qe3 f5 21.f3 f4
22.Qc5 Bf8 23.Qb5
  ²  (0.46)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:51  16322kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 19.11.2003)

Re: who does not understand the position(the human or the computer) Telmo Escobar 08:52:05 11/19/03
Re: who does not understand the position(Uri or the computer) martin fierz 07:41:08 11/19/03
- Re: who does not understand the position(Uri or the computer) Dan Andersson 14:40:03 11/19/03
- Re: who does not understand the position(Uri or the computer) Uri Blass 08:30:32 11/19/03
  - Re: who does not understand the position(Uri or the computer) martin fierz 08:54:07 11/19/03
Re: who does not understand the position(the human or the computer) Robert Hyatt 07:05:35 11/19/03
Re: who does not understand the position(the human or the computer) Anthony Cozzie 06:50:03 11/19/03
Re: who does not understand the position(the human or the computer) Georg v. Zimmermann 06:45:26 11/19/03
Re: who does not understand the position(the human or the computer) José Carlos 06:30:26 11/19/03
- Re: who does not understand the position(the human or the computer) Uri Blass 06:56:09 11/19/03

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