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Subject: Re: About CC-events in the US

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 07:38:03 11/19/03

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On November 19, 2003 at 10:26:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 19, 2003 at 05:30:13, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2003 at 04:59:59, Daniel Clausen wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>I've read the thread concerning the WCCC2003 in Graz and I think both sides have
>>>good points. (I just wish they'd listened more to each other ;)
>>>
>>>I have some questions/remarks though:
>>>
>>>(1)
>>>Would you guys (esp. from the US) prefer it if the WCCC event would be held over
>>>the internet in general or once in the US, once in Europe or something like
>>>that?
>>>
>>
>>Why not hold golf tournaments over the internet ? What's the point of everyone
>>being on the same green ?
>>
>>Anyone who does not want to travel to a world chamionship is probably not
>>sufficiently interested in being a world champion.
>
>That's pure bullshit.  I am a good example.  I played in every ACM event
>from 1976 to 1994, and in most of the early WCCC events.  But eventually
>some  "do-gooder" decided that we needed so many rounds that we could not do
>it in a weekend + 1-2 days of a regular week, and it became impossible for
>me to attend.  IE I teach two classes each semester.  It doesn't seem reasonable
>for me to just dump class for two weeks to attend a WMCCC event in Europe.  It
>is expensive, the extra travel time stretches my absense, etc.
>
>It isn't because of lack of interest.  As I have mentioned, my program played
>its first move in 1968.  When did yours play its first move?  Let's count
>and compare _years_.  That quantifies _my_ interest level.  However, I also
>have students to look out for, and they have to come first, IMHO.
>
>The last ACM event I played in was a five-rounder.  Not enough?  Perhaps not,
>but we played two rounds on Sunday, one on monday tuesday and wednesday nights.
>Others had more games on the weekend and only two week nights.  Which made
>missing one class meeting per class not so bad as tests could be scheduled.
>
>This is not about "lack of interest".  It is about "job responsibility" and
>"costs".
>
>>
>>
>>>(2)
>>>In case such events would be held over the internet, how would you make sure
>>>that cheating is not likely to happen? I think Russell suggested little 'hubs'
>>>around the world (like in Europe, US, Asia, Australia, etc) so that everyone can
>>>participate in the event but there would be some sort of control. I think that's
>>>a very interesting idea, although it seems to be very hard to actually do it
>>>since it requires a lot of organization and costs money.
>>>
>>>While I think the measurements against cheating in the upcoming CCT-event are
>>>reasonable, it seems obvious to me, that one has to do more than that if the
>>>'importance' of the event is higher.
>>>
>>>(3)
>>>I believe there is enough interest in CC-tournaments in the US. But I have to
>>>ask the simple question: Why aren't there any? I mean, in Europe it's noth just
>>>WCCC, it's also Leiden, it's Paderborn, and maybe some others too. What
>>>tournament is held in the US? There has to be a reason for it. It's not lack of
>>>interest, it's not lack of sponsors, so what is it? (this is not meant as a
>>>flame, but as a serious question :)
>>>
>>
>>There's interest and interest. Interest where no money, time or stepping outside
>>your home is involved is not very high.
>
>You seem to have a huge problem differentiating "interest" from
>"responsibility".  I'll say it once more.  My _interest_ in computer chess
>is obviously as high as anyone that is active, and probably is _higher_.  Why
>else have I continued this for a full 35 years of computer chess programming?
>Who else has had the interest to sustain working on chess programs for 35
>years?  I can't think of a single person.  However, I also have a responsibility
>to students taking (and paying for) courses I teach.  And I take that _just_
>as seriously.

He is not doubting your interest in computerchess, he's doubting your interest
in becoming worldchampion.

As you said before, you've already won it twice. He might be right.

Tony

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>>Amir



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