Author: Tony Werten
Date: 07:38:03 11/19/03
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On November 19, 2003 at 10:26:29, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 19, 2003 at 05:30:13, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On November 19, 2003 at 04:59:59, Daniel Clausen wrote: >> >>>Hi >>> >>>I've read the thread concerning the WCCC2003 in Graz and I think both sides have >>>good points. (I just wish they'd listened more to each other ;) >>> >>>I have some questions/remarks though: >>> >>>(1) >>>Would you guys (esp. from the US) prefer it if the WCCC event would be held over >>>the internet in general or once in the US, once in Europe or something like >>>that? >>> >> >>Why not hold golf tournaments over the internet ? What's the point of everyone >>being on the same green ? >> >>Anyone who does not want to travel to a world chamionship is probably not >>sufficiently interested in being a world champion. > >That's pure bullshit. I am a good example. I played in every ACM event >from 1976 to 1994, and in most of the early WCCC events. But eventually >some "do-gooder" decided that we needed so many rounds that we could not do >it in a weekend + 1-2 days of a regular week, and it became impossible for >me to attend. IE I teach two classes each semester. It doesn't seem reasonable >for me to just dump class for two weeks to attend a WMCCC event in Europe. It >is expensive, the extra travel time stretches my absense, etc. > >It isn't because of lack of interest. As I have mentioned, my program played >its first move in 1968. When did yours play its first move? Let's count >and compare _years_. That quantifies _my_ interest level. However, I also >have students to look out for, and they have to come first, IMHO. > >The last ACM event I played in was a five-rounder. Not enough? Perhaps not, >but we played two rounds on Sunday, one on monday tuesday and wednesday nights. >Others had more games on the weekend and only two week nights. Which made >missing one class meeting per class not so bad as tests could be scheduled. > >This is not about "lack of interest". It is about "job responsibility" and >"costs". > >> >> >>>(2) >>>In case such events would be held over the internet, how would you make sure >>>that cheating is not likely to happen? I think Russell suggested little 'hubs' >>>around the world (like in Europe, US, Asia, Australia, etc) so that everyone can >>>participate in the event but there would be some sort of control. I think that's >>>a very interesting idea, although it seems to be very hard to actually do it >>>since it requires a lot of organization and costs money. >>> >>>While I think the measurements against cheating in the upcoming CCT-event are >>>reasonable, it seems obvious to me, that one has to do more than that if the >>>'importance' of the event is higher. >>> >>>(3) >>>I believe there is enough interest in CC-tournaments in the US. But I have to >>>ask the simple question: Why aren't there any? I mean, in Europe it's noth just >>>WCCC, it's also Leiden, it's Paderborn, and maybe some others too. What >>>tournament is held in the US? There has to be a reason for it. It's not lack of >>>interest, it's not lack of sponsors, so what is it? (this is not meant as a >>>flame, but as a serious question :) >>> >> >>There's interest and interest. Interest where no money, time or stepping outside >>your home is involved is not very high. > >You seem to have a huge problem differentiating "interest" from >"responsibility". I'll say it once more. My _interest_ in computer chess >is obviously as high as anyone that is active, and probably is _higher_. Why >else have I continued this for a full 35 years of computer chess programming? >Who else has had the interest to sustain working on chess programs for 35 >years? I can't think of a single person. However, I also have a responsibility >to students taking (and paying for) courses I teach. And I take that _just_ >as seriously. He is not doubting your interest in computerchess, he's doubting your interest in becoming worldchampion. As you said before, you've already won it twice. He might be right. Tony > > >> >>Amir
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