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Subject: Re: If Kasparov ever plays another machine-human match,

Author: Daniel Clausen

Date: 00:42:03 11/20/03

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On November 19, 2003 at 20:53:15, Rex wrote:

>On November 19, 2003 at 16:58:01, Daniel Clausen wrote:
>
>>Most of us here in CCC agree that in order to find out whether X or Y is stonger
>>takes _a lot_ of games, especially when their strength is close to each other.
>>
>>It's amazing what people think about results of 2.5-1.5, 2-2 or 1.5-2.5, when it
>>comes to human-comps though...
>>
>>And...
>>
>>It's not:
>>-GK doesn't fight for human kind when fighting Fritz
>>-GK doesn't save the human race when he beats the machine 2.5-1.5
>>-it's not a victory of the machines when Fritz wins 2.5-1.5
>>-chess is not rendered useless if Fritz wins
>>-etc
>>
>>it is:
>>-it's simply a commercial event with money and product placement at stake
>>-fun to watch
>>-only bearable in ICC with 'set kib 2'
>>-etc
>>
>>GK will play computers in such events as long as there's a sponsor. He doesn't
>>"deserve another chance" or anything like that.
>>
>>Sargon
>
>
>I get so tired of this crap.

So am I.


>And this goes with comp ver comp games.  If two parties agree on FOUR games
>and there is a winner then we can say the winner
>is_the_best_or even the strongest

You can say it a hundred times but it doesn't make it true. (if you add "In this
series" it is true though) Ask you local math teacher about statistics. But
maybe you're right and 4 games are enough. Gosh, must the SSDF be stupid and
play so many games.


>Look a tourney is an agreed tourney between two parties with the understanding
>of possibly ONE winner who has the GLORY of saying I AM THE BEST!! Dont take
>anything away from a winner.  In the Kaspy ver Computer match we can say there
>were no winners.  Title wise.

We're discussing on different "levels". You're talking about the "I am / we are
the best" claims of fans after a won tourney. That's fine with me. I'm talking
about the 'statistically proven that X is better than Y'. There's a difference.

Sargon



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