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Subject: Re: Have'nt anyone notice this BIG Problem?

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 06:54:12 11/20/03

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On November 20, 2003 at 09:27:12, Mathieu Pagé wrote:

>On November 20, 2003 at 03:34:54, swaminathan natarajan wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>the main problem is that engine-engine matches without opening book plays same
>>moves for infinite games when given same time control
>>
>>i have kept 6 games series
>>all the games played shows the same result
>>match ends in a 3-3 tie........same moves till endings and insuffiecient
>>material in the position
>>
>>i hope if the book is selected for the engine,the games will not be the same and
>>the result may change?
>
>Yes, you are right, except if both engines take the same opening line again and
>again.
>
>Some sort of opening learning will totaly avoid this behavior since the engines
>will try to find a line that will give them something better than a draw.
>
>Mathieu

The idea of using "some sort of opening learning" to cause chess-playing
programs to explore new openings in engine-engine matches "without an opening
book" is intriguing because it would be very interesting to see what the
"engine" might come up with.  One reservation, however, is that the choices may
not be truly without human influence.  It would depend on how the idea is
implemented in software.  If human programmers were, in effect, making the
decisions then the findings would be tainted by the scourge of "the human
tendency to err."

Perhaps it would be enlightening to review how opening learning is accomplished
[implemented in software] in current-day chess programs.  My impression was that
opening learning is accomplished by adjusting the probability settings in an
opening book.  It doesn't have to be that way.  A programmer could find another
way.

Hopefully the "real" chess-playing program programmers will comment on how they
might implement Mathieu's idea.

Bob D.







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