Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:56:02 11/20/03
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On November 20, 2003 at 07:14:09, Amir Ban wrote: >On November 19, 2003 at 19:51:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 19, 2003 at 18:21:16, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On November 19, 2003 at 18:05:32, Steven Edwards wrote: >>> >>>>Some items: >>>> >>>>1. There has been no physical CC event in North America since 1994; the >>>>ICCA/ICGA in that time has helped organize muliple events, mostly in Europe, but >>>>none in the western hemisphere. >>>> >>>>2. The Association for Computing Machinery apparently no longer has an interest >>>>in CC, at least not the point of helping to organize or sponsor events in the >>>>US. >>>> >>>>3. The United States Chess Federation is in dire financial straits and may not >>>>be around in another year, so it is unlikely to assist with CC events. Indeed, >>>>for the past two decades the USCF has made plenty of cash by selling CC software >>>>and hardware but as far as I can remember has done little to assist with >>>>organizing or sponsoring CC events. >>>> >>>>4. Money and other resources that in the past have assisted with North American >>>>CC tournament events appear to have, in part, been switched to one human vs one >>>>machine publicity events that do little to help either existing or aspiring >>>>authors. >>>> >>>>---- >>>> >>>>I propose that if we, the North American CC authors and researchers, continue to >>>>wait for others to resume organizational assistance, then we will be waiting for >>>>a long, long time. >>>> >>>>I say that we should establish a North American CC Association. It would >>>>include a website, a journal, and a mandate to organize periodic CC events in >>>>North America for North American authors. >>> >>> >>>If you want a North America WCCC, then find the sponsors and the ICGA will hold >>>the event there. Simple as that. >> >>So we do the work, hand over $50,000 to the ICCA, and they will hold the event >>here? :) >> >>Think I'll pass on that... >> > >That gets you back at square one: no sponsor, no WCCC, and lots of posts griping >about why it's not in the US. The last time I looked, I paid my dues to the ICCA. I did it based on the charter I voted on in 1977 in Toronto, Canada, which said that one of the major functions of the ICCA was to host a world computer chess championship every three years, and that it would alternate between Europe and North America. This has turned into: 1. host the WCCC event every three years only in Europe. 2. Require a big cash donation to the ICCA to offset the journal costs. That's not what I agreed to. If the journal is losing money, scrap it. Or revamp it. I am _certain_ that it doesn't take $10.00 per issue to publish the journal (10$ per issue per copy). If it does, something is _wrong_. I have reviewed many articles for the ICCA. I don't charge anything. So what drives the cost so high and why can't it be controlled better? If you get rid of the "cash donation to the ICCA" I'll be _happy_ to organize an event over here and have hardware supplied for participants that don't want to bring their own machines. > > >> >>> >>>We wanted to host the event at our university here in Israel. For more than a >>>year we have been going from one sponsor to another trying to raise the money. >>>It is indeed very hard to find sponsors for the event, but if you raise the >>>money, you will get the hosting. >>> >>>I would personally be most interested to come to North America for WCCC 2005. >>>So, good luck finding sponsors! >> >>I would rather spend $50,000 to give each participant a new machine rather >>than giving it to an organization that is ignoring us in the first place.. > >Sure, the sponsor will love that. If you donate some to orphanages maybe he'll >double his contribution. Get real. > >Amir I'm sure they would like to see participants take home their machines, as opposed to money going into a black hole that doesn't help the company at all. You need to think, and then get real. We ran ACM events that way for 25 years. No "sponsor donations". We got companies to provide local hardware at no charge. We had no entry fees. The ACM donated some money that we used for cash prizes and trophies. It worked well. It's the ICCA "fee" that is the killer. We can do without it. For example, how much did you pay to enter the last CCT event? About the same amount I paid to enter every ACM event I played in, and there were a _BUNCH_ of them.
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