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Subject: Re: Doubling of thinking time, greater benefits for dedicated computers?

Author: Robert Allgeuer

Date: 07:28:59 11/21/03

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On November 21, 2003 at 09:46:02, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 21, 2003 at 09:10:37, Robert Allgeuer wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2003 at 22:44:28, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On November 20, 2003 at 22:41:09, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 20, 2003 at 22:27:14, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 20, 2003 at 22:21:46, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 20, 2003 at 19:50:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 20, 2003 at 18:57:24, J. C. Boco wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Doubling the processor speed or the time for thinking adds about 80 points to
>>>>>>>>the SSDF-computer-ratings.  But PC's are already running so fast that doubling
>>>>>>>>their speed might mean searching at 15ply instead of 14ply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How do you get it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Based on the ssdf list even being 3 times faster does not give 80 elo.
>>>>>>>A1200 is often more than 3 times faster than K6-450
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This query:
>>>>>>SELECT a.engine, (a.Elo - b.Elo)/(1200.0/450.0) AS EloDiff
>>>>>>FROM Ssdf AS a, Ssdf AS b
>>>>>>WHERE a.Engine = b.Engine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And
>>>>>>   a.Hardware like "*1200 MHz*"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And
>>>>>>   b.Hardware like "*450 Mhz*"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Order by  (a.Elo - b.Elo)/(1200.0/450.0) Desc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returns this result set:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>engine	EloDiff
>>>>>>Gandalf 4.32h	50.625
>>>>>>Crafty 18.12/CB	50.25
>>>>>>Gandalf 5.0	42
>>>>>>Fritz 7.0	42
>>>>>>Deep Fritz 7.0	41.25
>>>>>>Rebel Century 4.0	40.125
>>>>>>Hiarcs 8.0	36.75
>>>>>>Chess Tiger 14.0 CB	32.25
>>>>>>Gambit Tiger 2.0	27.375
>>>>>>Deep Fritz	25.125
>>>>>>Junior 7.0	22.875
>>>>>>Chess Tiger 15.0	20.625
>>>>>>Shredder 5.32	20.25
>>>>>>
>>
>>I do believe that the formula should be
>>(a.Elo - b.Elo)/ld(1200.0/450) instead of
>>(a.Elo - b.Elo)/(1200.0/450.0)
>>with ld being the log to the base 2.
>>
>>With this dataset this would give roughly a median (i.e. Hiarcs) of 69 ELO
>>points gain for doubling processor speed, minimum of 38 for Shredder 5.32, max
>>95 for Gandalf (under the condition that processor speed really scales linearly
>>with the clock rate).
>>
>>Robert
>
>I believe that it is less than it because 1200/450 is not the right ratio
>because there is a difference between faster and bigger.
>
>1200 is usually more than 3 times faster than 450 and I read that for some
>programs like gandalf it is about 5 times faster
>
>Uri

Yes it is certainly all a crude approximation

Robert




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