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Subject: Re: the autoplayer enables learning in learner-prg's

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 07:32:36 11/14/98

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On November 14, 1998 at 07:48:20, Mark Young wrote:
>>this BUG helps fritz to be number one....
>>(and - only logical to say - it will help junior to be number 2)
>
>How do you live with yourself,

very very good.
i am in my best mood.
My postings are based on facts. I have bought junior5 and some prg's do not save
the games although they do it with NORMAL autoplayer-opponents like
hiarcs
rebel
shredder
nimzo
wchess
comet
cstal
gandalf
diogenes
zarkov
mchess
...
etc. etc. etc.

ONLY with junior, that uses the well reputated CHESS-BASE-AUTOPLAYER device
:-))) the problems occur.

You don't have junior ?
you don't know about ?
if you know, why don't you have told us ?


> Now you are calling Amir Ban a cheater.

????

Why ? YOU are calling amir a cheater. read your sentence above, there it is
written. i have not done so.
I said the autoplayer is not saving the games on opponent pc's. I wonder why.
Others (who have also bought junior5) have found out the same.
Ed claimed the same very early.

If a weak learner program plays against a non-learner, the weak learner gets at
least 50%. Fritz gets most of the ELO-points from rebel. rebels learning stuff
was outknocked due to a "bug" ?! :-)))

Junior uses the same user-interface fritz uses.
Amir has nothing to do with the user-interface.
I am NOT claiming that amir cheats. If so i would have to claim that Bob and
other alternative engines do cheat too. I don't do this. i have not done.
you want to make word games here, you want to produce problems.
do it. continue it. i concentrate on the facts...

>The guy
>that won the World Micro Computer Chess Championship.

it is not important if he is the kaiser of china or world champion. if the
autoplayer is not working accurate and gets more elo due to a bug, than the
ranking is wrong. no matter if the program is black, white, red or yellow, no
matter if world champion or crap.



> Why would he have to
>cheat!

I have not said he cheats. learn to read.
you claim it again. see your sentence above.


>Is there no depth you want sink to,

pah - you think your word-games impress me ?


>to attack another company or
>programmer that is not Chess System Tal.

chess-system tal autoplayer does not need to have these kind of "bugs".
it works like all the other programs, the dos-cstal, the win95-cstal.
and there are no tricks.
fair play. in opposite to chessbase.



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