Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:03:53 11/21/03
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On November 21, 2003 at 19:11:41, Will Singleton wrote: >On November 21, 2003 at 18:24:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 21, 2003 at 18:05:55, Joachim Rang wrote: >> >>>On November 21, 2003 at 16:47:52, Peter Berger wrote: >>> >>>>Following recent heated discussions I'd love to do a little testmatch. There are >>>>different versions of the challenge online - I chose one that I can kind of >>>>simulate myself with slower hardware. >>>> >>>>Junior 8.0.0.2 will play on a P233MMX, 32 MB RAM. >>>>Crafty 19.4 will play on a PIV2.0GHz notebook, 1GHz RAM. >>>> >>>>Time control will be game in 2 hours with 10 seconds increment/move. The match >>>>will be done like older FIDE world championship matches - the first one to win 6 >>>>games wins the match, draws won't count. >>>> >>>>Junior uses 16MB Hash, 3+4 men tablebases, 1MB cache, junior8.ctg. >>>>Crafty uses 384MB Hash, 64MB hashp, 3+4 men tablebases, 32MB cache, own book, >>>>aware of playing a computer. >>>> >>>>Compairing setups with Crafty bench (hash 12M, hashp 3M, cache 1M on the slower >>>>one) suggests a speed difference factor of about 10.5 in raw nodes per seconds >>>>and 11.0 in "SMP time to-ply-measurement" between the two computers. >>>>As the Junior Mark doesn't work on the slower one and Junior chooses to search >>>>different depths on both in the starting position, I can't really give a number. >>>>The difference seems to be slightly lower for Junior though, sth like 9.0 maybe. >>>> >>>>Saying that the faster computer is about 10 times faster shouldn't be too wrong. >>>> >>>>That's also clearly an upper-bound for faster hardware Crafty could reasonably >>>>come up to compete with against a single-CPU opponent in a current competition >>>>on fast computers IMHO - the speedup demands 16 CPUs I guess, and I don't know >>>>if Crafty can really scale that well. >>>> >>>>With this setup Crafty should be the clear favourite I suppose. >>>> >>>>Crafty won the toss and will have the white pieces in the first game. >>>> >>>>Peter >>> >>> >>>nice test indeed. I think crafty will win. >>> >>>regards Joachim >> >>If it loses I should obviously retire from computer chess due to gross >>incompetence. > >You already have two people (above) who think Junior has a chance to win, so I >suppose you should at least start checking the social security balance. Me, I >think Crafty will win easily, perhaps 6-0 (not counting draws). > >Will I'd expect 5-1 or 6-0 at 10:1 time odds, discounting quite a few draws that are expected... As for who thinks that a 10:1 time odds is not enough, I suspect they have not "gotten dirty" by writing something that is serious. 10:1 is quite a bonus. 100:1 is even better... If I couldn't win at 10:1 it would be time to hang it up, IMHO, no matter how much or little time I get to spend on it... > >ps Nice of Peter to arrange this match, promises to be diverting. Any chance >of a live feed using Tom's viewer?
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