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Subject: Re: About CC-events in the US (Ignore previous post)

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 20:09:02 11/21/03

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On November 20, 2003 at 18:44:18, martin fierz wrote:

>On November 20, 2003 at 11:00:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2003 at 10:57:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 19, 2003 at 18:25:40, martin fierz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>sheesh!
>>>>
>>>>if anyone is missing a point here it's you! why don't you read the post
>>>>completely before crying wolf?
>>>>
>>>>matthew suggested that holding a CC world championship without US participation
>>>>is about like playing a human chess world championship without russians.
>>>>
>>>>that statement is totally wrong. there is simply not a single US program which
>>>>is anywhere near the top of computer chess, period.
>>
>>That statement is _totally_ wrong.  The WCCC is an "open hardware" event.
>>If you take the top commercial programs running on a single CPU box, and
>>Crafty running on a big Opteron box, I'd claim Crafty has at _least_ as good
>>a chance of winning as any one-cpu program, and probably better chances.
>
>so? in what way does that make my statement wrong? .
>
>of course, if you give one of those american programs a huge hardware advantage,
>then it has it's chance - that is pretty clear!
>
>if i ran my rather weak program on a box which is 1000x faster than yours you
>would lose. does this make me proud? does this make my program better than
>yours?? go figure...
>i talked about *programs*. not about the combination of hardware+software. i
>don't know why you do it, but you seem to deliberately misunderstand any
>sentence i write ;-)
>
>cheers
>  martin

Mine finished second at the 1999 WCCC, and is typically in the top half-dozen
when I participate.

Arguments that the tournament should not be held in the US because there are no
strong American programs are asinine to start with, but if you hold the
tournament in the place where there are the most top competitors, this cannot
but help reinforce the current situation.

It seems obvious that holding every tournament after 1996 in Europe would tend
to result in extra encouragement for strong European amateurs.

bruce



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