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Subject: Re: the autoplayer enables learning in learner-prg's

Author: Mark Young

Date: 08:11:24 11/14/98

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On November 14, 1998 at 10:32:36, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On November 14, 1998 at 07:48:20, Mark Young wrote:
>>>this BUG helps fritz to be number one....
>>>(and - only logical to say - it will help junior to be number 2)
>>
>>How do you live with yourself,
>
>very very good.
>i am in my best mood.
>My postings are based on facts. I have bought junior5 and some prg's do not save
>the games although they do it with NORMAL autoplayer-opponents like
>hiarcs
>rebel
>shredder
>nimzo
>wchess
>comet
>cstal
>gandalf
>diogenes
>zarkov
>mchess
>...
>etc. etc. etc.
>
>ONLY with junior, that uses the well reputated CHESS-BASE-AUTOPLAYER device
>:-))) the problems occur.
>
>You don't have junior ?
>you don't know about ?
>if you know, why don't you have told us ?
>
>
>> Now you are calling Amir Ban a cheater.
>
>????
>
>Why ? YOU are calling amir a cheater. read your sentence above, there it is
>written. i have not done so.
>I said the autoplayer is not saving the games on opponent pc's. I wonder why.
>Others (who have also bought junior5) have found out the same.
>Ed claimed the same very early.
>
>If a weak learner program plays against a non-learner, the weak learner gets at
>least 50%. Fritz gets most of the ELO-points from rebel. rebels learning stuff
>was outknocked due to a "bug" ?! :-)))
>
>Junior uses the same user-interface fritz uses.
>Amir has nothing to do with the user-interface.
>I am NOT claiming that amir cheats. If so i would have to claim that Bob and
>other alternative engines do cheat too. I don't do this. i have not done.
>you want to make word games here, you want to produce problems.
>do it. continue it. i concentrate on the facts...
>
>>The guy
>>that won the World Micro Computer Chess Championship.
>
>it is not important if he is the kaiser of china or world champion. if the
>autoplayer is not working accurate and gets more elo due to a bug, than the
>ranking is wrong. no matter if the program is black, white, red or yellow, no
>matter if world champion or crap.
>
>
>
>> Why would he have to
>>cheat!
>
>I have not said he cheats. learn to read.
>you claim it again. see your sentence above.
>
>
>>Is there no depth you want sink to,
>
>pah - you think your word-games impress me ?
>
>
>>to attack another company or
>>programmer that is not Chess System Tal.
>
>chess-system tal autoplayer does not need to have these kind of "bugs".
>it works like all the other programs, the dos-cstal, the win95-cstal.
>and there are no tricks.
>fair play. in opposite to chessbase.

It is clear that you don't think it is a bug in the autoplayer, or am I
misreading your drift here. So it sounds like to me your calling Amir a cheater
for using the chessbase GUI. A bug is one thing, but it seems to me you are
saying it is not a bug. So I guess you have proof that it is not, Oh am sorry I
forgot, you don't need proof.



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