Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 16:23:50 11/14/98
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On November 14, 1998 at 11:11:24, Mark Young wrote: >It is clear that you don't think it is a bug in the autoplayer, right. the bug is in for months and has passed all testers. even the experienced ones. it passed enrique , moritz and dirk. and all ssdf-testers ? nobody has recognized ? only one little sentence that rebel is not saving the games and not learning. and nobody found this strange ? if we all can reproduce each single game, but we don't have the same results, there must be a hidden parameter. if fritz/junior5 (whatever engine) is enabling the learning stuff of the opponent, than there is at least ONE hidden parameter found. because this DOES influence results. try it out, put genius against genius, and enable learning on ONE machine. and wait 30-50 games. and tell me the results. than you see that it DOES effect. > or am I >misreading your drift here. drift ? i see maybe a bug. i wonder if this bug is also in the hidden autoplayer. could be, or ? this would explain different results. all manually played matches would get weak results, all autoplayer-matches , especially with many many games against one opponent would get much better results than fritz deserves. > So it sounds like to me your calling Amir a cheater >for using the chessbase GUI. amir is not doing the GUI. don't you get this ? amir has only send his engine to chessBase. he does not know what they do with it. where am i saying amir cheats ? it is the engine X in the user-interface. if the user-interface is buggy, ANY engine would make problems. how do you want to construct now that i call amir a cheater ? imo you only want to make trouble here. you mix things. you claim things i have never said and would never say, because i don't think it is amir who has done that. this was all done long before amir. > A bug is one thing, but it seems to me you are >saying it is not a bug. a bug is a bug. but why it it in. why has nobody fixed it ? is it in the fritz5 hidden autoplayer too ? if so, why has nobody recognized ? they are all adults, or ? > So I guess you have proof that it is not, do you have a problem ? I have proof. my autoplayer is also not working. isn't this proof enough. i would have never found out if they would not have sold junior with the autoplayer. all of us would maybe never have known HOW they did it. and you still believe the fairy tale that nobody has an idea about all of this. nobody wondered about. nobody was able to reproduce. nobody had a suspicion.... > Oh am sorry I >forgot, you don't need proof. in opposite to you i try to find out about things. by doing. and in opposite to you, i know when a battle is lost. you still think you would come out of this without a lost game ? or a draw ? you have defended a lost game. and now it is lost, you still want me to draw with you, or to resign. pah - you will lose the next game too. because this was only the beginning of the story.
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