Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 23:45:54 11/14/98
>Posted by Thorsten Czub on November 14, 1998 at 19:07:55: >>>Others (who have also bought junior5) have found out the same. >fact, these persons have posted here. >>>Ed claimed the same very early. >fact too. ed said that the fritz5 autoplayer stops rebel from learning, posted >in old discussions months ago. >i have not said that you claimed something about the junior autoplayer ed. >i said you claimed the same, meaning you said that rebels learning was not >working in your observation months before. but anybody oversaw this. >>I claimed nothing. Junior5 even hasn't been installed on my autoplayers >>so I can't know. >i have not said you claimed about junior. junior is only an engine in the fritz5 >user interface. what happens to junior might have also happened to the secret >chessbase fritz5 autoplayer. and you proofed this autoplayer, or ? >you had a log-file of the data send from ONE to Other machine, or ? >And there was nothing in the data. all clean. only that rebel was unable to >learn. or ? I remember that this was said months ago. You have your facts completely wrong Thorsten. Let me summarize.... #1. There were 3 people who had the F5 autoplayer (F5A) and they sometimes passed information about the thing here in CCC. #2. One of them said: "F5A does not save opponent games". #3. I then reacted: a) This is horrible, it might influence the learner of opponents programs. I was talking about ALL programs. b) I also said: I can't proof if this is the case for my OWN creation Rebel because the F5A is not public. c) I also said: I have looked at the Rebel code and it is unlikely there is harm done to Rebel's learner but I can't exclude the possibility. After all the F5A is hidden from me and it is against the auto232 protocol not to save the game. The game should be there but the Rebel driver is overruled by the F5A driver and this is unacceptable. What I wrote was a complaint against "hidden" autoplayers and all the possible negative side effects because of that. Until this day I am not able to say if harm is done or not. I NEVER said the F5A prevents Rebel from learning. I have no proof of that and I don't think it's fair of you to translate a "possibility" into a "fact" and make it a main item here. You have argued against the F5A. It wasn't available. Now you argue against the J5A. It *IS* available. You now have the possibility to PROOF your theory with examples. Sofar I have seen NONE. Only the same accusations PRESENTED as proof but no real evidence. Why don't you just stop with your accusations, find the evidence first and THEN report here. You are allowed to quote my public sayings but not to change them to your own convenience. You will not be able to find a statement of me where I said: "The F5A prevents Rebel from learning" because I never said that. - Ed - PS, about AUTO232.... AUTO232 is a fragile piece of software. As a result of that (and you must know that very well) programs tend to crash all the time. Through the years I have seen dozen and dozen examples all programs crash in good positions and bad positions. There is no pattern. It's completely random. Meaning to say, to proof your theory you have to come up with some very convincing examples. PS2, I posted this as a new chapter so on top on CCC because I have seen you have spread your untrue sayings about me all over CCC.
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