Author: Hannu Wegner
Date: 00:50:12 11/15/98
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On November 15, 1998 at 02:45:54, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Posted by Thorsten Czub on November 14, 1998 at 19:07:55: > >>>>Others (who have also bought junior5) have found out the same. > >>fact, these persons have posted here. > >>>>Ed claimed the same very early. > >>fact too. ed said that the fritz5 autoplayer stops rebel from learning, posted >>in old discussions months ago. >>i have not said that you claimed something about the junior autoplayer ed. >>i said you claimed the same, meaning you said that rebels learning was not >>working in your observation months before. but anybody oversaw this. > > >>>I claimed nothing. Junior5 even hasn't been installed on my autoplayers >>>so I can't know. > >>i have not said you claimed about junior. junior is only an engine in the fritz5 >>user interface. what happens to junior might have also happened to the secret >>chessbase fritz5 autoplayer. and you proofed this autoplayer, or ? >>you had a log-file of the data send from ONE to Other machine, or ? >>And there was nothing in the data. all clean. only that rebel was unable to >>learn. or ? I remember that this was said months ago. > > >You have your facts completely wrong Thorsten. > >Let me summarize.... > >#1. There were 3 people who had the F5 autoplayer (F5A) and they >sometimes passed information about the thing here in CCC. > >#2. One of them said: "F5A does not save opponent games". > >#3. I then reacted: > >a) This is horrible, it might influence the learner of opponents programs. >I was talking about ALL programs. > >b) I also said: I can't proof if this is the case for my OWN creation Rebel >because the F5A is not public. > >c) I also said: I have looked at the Rebel code and it is unlikely there is >harm done to Rebel's learner but I can't exclude the possibility. After all >the F5A is hidden from me and it is against the auto232 protocol not to >save the game. The game should be there but the Rebel driver is >overruled by the F5A driver and this is unacceptable. > >What I wrote was a complaint against "hidden" autoplayers and all the >possible negative side effects because of that. > >Until this day I am not able to say if harm is done or not. > >I NEVER said the F5A prevents Rebel from learning. I have no proof of >that and I don't think it's fair of you to translate a "possibility" >into a "fact" and make it a main item here. > >You have argued against the F5A. It wasn't available. Now you argue >against the J5A. It *IS* available. You now have the possibility to PROOF >your theory with examples. Sofar I have seen NONE. Only the same >accusations PRESENTED as proof but no real evidence. > >Why don't you just stop with your accusations, find the evidence >first and THEN report here. > >You are allowed to quote my public sayings but not to change them >to your own convenience. You will not be able to find a statement of >me where I said: "The F5A prevents Rebel from learning" because >I never said that. > >- Ed - > >PS, about AUTO232.... > >AUTO232 is a fragile piece of software. As a result of that (and >you must know that very well) programs tend to crash all the time. >Through the years I have seen dozen and dozen examples all >programs crash in good positions and bad positions. There is >no pattern. It's completely random. > >Meaning to say, to proof your theory you have to come up with >some very convincing examples. > >PS2, I posted this as a new chapter so on top on CCC because I >have seen you have spread your untrue sayings about me all over >CCC. Hi Ed, It is good to see, that you want to discuss the autoplayerproblem in a constructve way! Allways when I see mails from Thosten Czub the toppics about ChessBase-products the writes about them in a destructive way. Best would be to give ChessBase more "test-reports" because they are obviosly not able to write a correct working autoplayer without help. But you can also see that they are willing to publish Fritz 5-autoplayer. Best greetings, Hannu Wegner
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